[parker]

http://latest.com/2014/11/murderer-possibly-posts-photos-victim-4chan-crime-reported/
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[bort]

dont click any links in the comments

[schroeder]

It says 4chan is deleting all posts about the incident, so I think that's the real crime that needs investigating here.

[Talbain]

[tiburon]

[Mr. Mechanical]

Pretty sure schroeder was being sarcastic?
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[tiburon]

My bad if so
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[schroeder]

Oh, def. sarcastic. One of the dumber Gameghazi talking points is that even though the Quinn allegations were baseless, it was somehow criminal, or at least COLLUSION!!!, to close discussions about them.

Also, fuck Total Biscuit forever.

[Lick Meth]

How does someone come to consciously choose a name with the initials "TB"? Probably by picking a name that screams "jingoistic knobhead"

[mauve]

yeah uh TB finally went completely unhinged.

though I think he's learning that showing a tough face and giving strong opinions is a bit different when it's about something people actually give a shit about.
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[Adilegian]

[miaou]

http://www.polygon.com/features/2014/10/24/6242329/character-design-sarkeesian

This is the kind of writing about Sarkeesian's work I think there should be more of. Sort of a greater clarification of the point of the Damsel in Distress video, and principles for game developers to use to avoid it. In short: treat people like people. Very easy to remember.

[Adilegian]

Much in the vein of Spelunky (and also in Cave Story as lenox reminded me in IRC), I am down with using puppies or kittens in the Damsel-in-Distress role. I think that the mechanic can feel less retrograde if it were de-gendered.

Also you get Max Pathos because puppies~.

EDIT: IRC's bot grobyk is on board.

[tiburon]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

[miaou]

[mauve]

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/530473378227191808

this time, it's actually about ethics
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[Takashi]

A curious thing:

http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23gamergate%20RT&q2=%23gamergate%20-RT&q3=%23StopGamerGate2014&via=Topsy

Basically, it means that RTs aka "signal boost" tactics seem to have died out - this is a good thing because these are normally for the Baldwin/Breitbart thinly-veiled agenda. The blue line represents direct responses - what means the amount of actual discussion that is taking place, finally outranking the retweet practice.

I'm not 100% sure we can assert correlation, but I added the stopgg campaign tag here for good measure.
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[bort]

http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%22a%20gamer%20scorned%22&q2=%22gamer%27s%20last%20stand%22&q3=%22gamer%27s%20fury%22&via=Topsy

[Brooks]

"Gamer" as a term is definitely commercially and culturally bankrupt now though right

Like no one is going to try to perpetuate it without recourse to deepest sarcasm surely

[Dracko]

http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/102060021846/gamergate-harassment-death-threats-anti-gg
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[Adilegian]

[evnvnv]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

[Takashi]

http://www.zenofdesign.com/gamergates-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-week/

I still can't believe people bought Denton fb posting as honest truth. Also that Totillo from all people was the source. Someone buy the movie rights for this Hallmark feature.
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[miaou]

https://digg.com/2014/when-gamergate-hits-the-wrong-target

[Dracko]

[Adilegian]

[miaou]

Mattie Brice has resigned as a judge for the Indie Games Festival this year after GamerGate deliberately took some jokes she made about judging for it seriously. Worse, the IGF capitulated [1] [2] to these toddlers having their tantrum. So much for 'having the backs' of minority people in indie games! Their apology isn't up to much either imo.

My thoughts:
This 'a woman said "kill all men" and I am emotionally distressed!' thing is always men complaining that women aren't being nice enough, not an actual fear of physical harm. Some dudes really act like a woman saying 'kill all men' somewhere on the internet is equivalent to the personalised death threats received by those same women. And then they say that it's women & other minorities that are too thin-skinned. :/

I might also suggest that if they were emotionally distressed by this sort of statement they wouldn't be camping out watching everything Mattie Brice and other women in games say looking for it, and then sticking around long enough to type out replies and harass the IGF with call-outs of it. They accuse 'SJWs' of doing this ('you're just looking for things to get offended about') but that only means the idea of doing it makes sense in their heads. If you're a woman, LGBT or nonwhite you really don't need to go looking for statements that'll hurt you, as evidenced by these peoples' behaviour they very inconveniently come looking for you.

Also, to wilfully twist 'I'm going to downvote all the men's games, that'll teach em :3', which is the sort of thing she actually said, into 'kill all men' is making at least a few errors of scale.

To compare this with situations like that Mozilla guy being fired for being anti-gay, as some GGers have been doing, is a startling lack of any sense of proportion, and also he wasn't actually joking. And also, wow this really sounds like it's about ethics in games journalism and not an anti-feminist, anti-LGBT, anti-racial-minority culture war when you're bringing this sort of thing into it!

Finally, gamergaters may want to consider that their movements' treatment of Mattie over the past YEARS (she has been receiving abuse from these people since before gamergate gave it a name) deserves a much more radical response than 1 out of about 100 judges being biased against men's games in a competition that is of relatively niche interest anyway. If she followed through on this joke she'd still be more patient than a saint. She would be completely justified in being biased against men's games. Sorry fellas, a bunch of men ruined the party for the rest of you, maybe the rest of you could do something to punish their poor behaviour and prevent it from happening again.

[schroeder]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

If this was a roundabout way of proving the point that we live in a brave new world where offending the wrong group of anonymous crybabies/assholes on Twitter can destroy your career, well... big success.
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[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

That said, it was a dumb/unprofessional joke to make
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[miaou]

The proportionate response to this dumb joke from the IGF should've been a statement saying 'yeah ok, but we don't think this will be a problem'.

Now the problem they've got is that a bunch of their other judges are doing a walkout in solidarity with Brice. Brendan Keogh was out for a while, also I think Christine Love?

GamerGate are also now emailing developers who are making entries to the IGF, probably under some misapprehension that these developers wanted their 'help'?

And IGF's capitulation hasn't really changed the firmly held desire of a section of GamerGate to destroy the whole thing because it represents an 'indie in-crowd' that GG reviles because they don't like it when people are friends. I have seen a number of pro-gg game devs say things like 'Phil Fish and Zoe Quinn have an unfair advantage getting their games noticed because they have functional social skills', as a motivator for trying to completely destroy their lives. The IGF is basically a community these people talked themselves out of ever being a part of, because the requirement to not be an asshole was insurmountable I guess, so it must be destroyed.

[cassievania]

[Adilegian]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

Disclaimer: I have no idea who Mattie Brice is. Was she the one who wrote that article in defense of Bayonetta? That was pretty good and also the first I've ever heard of her
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[miaou]

Ni Go Zero Ichi: Mattie Brice has been active in games criticism and advocacy for women / transwomen / women of colour in games for a few years. She made a cool game called Mainichi. The person who wrote the Bayonetta article linked earlier in this thread was Maddy Myers.



From my outsiders' perspective the 'indie community' can be perceived as cliquish mainly because it is tiny. However, the scene (really many scenes) has come under scrutiny for it before, people within it are aware of their tendency to form ingroups, and the walls don't seem to be impermeable to people who have a good attitude and who do good work, I at least see new names and new games all the time. There are arguably issues for non-US developers and developers who can't be on the internet all day or who can't travel, but the sensible route the adults with these issues have taken is to create more local scenes. The problem that most pro-gg devs have is that they do not have good attitudes and don't do any work, their 'scene' is 4chan's aggressively anti-social club, and they're lashing out at the people who 'made it' because they're afraid that the adult world is going to be highschool again.

EDIT: Altho yeah that Fez stuff was definitely weird.

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

Nothing you're saying sounds wrong but I think it's worth pointing out that plenty of "establishment" indie/industry personalities like Phil Fish (among many, many others) seem to pretty much be living in a perpetual high school mindset already - which is a huge contributor to the indie community's cliquishness in the first place - so it's not like 4chan is an anomaly in this regard (though it's certainly true that they're "aggressively antisocial", in their own unique way, even compared to other subcultural outlets). Nerd subcultures, though especially video games, have long been a haven for emotional instability and arrested development; but I doubt this comes as a surprise to anyone here.
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[miaou]

via
"today on gamergate: a handful of gamergate supporters discover a game about a trans woman living under a dystopian government that kills everyone who speaks out about inequality, gg supporters don’t actually read past the poorly worded headline about this game on the escapist and manage to convince themselves that it’s anti-feminist and as such start plugging the game’s kickstarter on twitter"



And a statement from the developer: