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schroeder
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 Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:37 am |
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| evnvnv wrote: |
| (recent hubub in the blogosphere about the fact that HP Lovecraft was a sort of rotten and comes to mind--it's true that he was a racist, but the racism of authors that are not also social incompetents or recluses is not called into question with the same vitriol. When you're reading some of these pieces, you get the impression that their real problem with Lovecraft is that he was just kind of a "creep," and that's a judgment that just seems really unfair). |
I'm basically in agreement with your whole post, but this bit jumped out at me as kind of off-base and very topically relevant.
As far as I can tell, the latest Lovecraft furor started when a guy who (stupidly and, it seems, uniquely) wants him dropped from the horror canon started a (quite reasonable) petition to have the World Fantasy Award stop taking the shape of HPL's preposterous dome, which caught on because it's embarrassing to have the symbol of your craft be a cranky racist.
That guy's derogation of the importance of Lovecraft's work is dumb and factually dubious. In the other related pieces I've read, mostly by his fans, HPL's racism is treated as a central feature of his writing and a regrettable personal failing. If anything, his lack of social standing is taken as a mitigating factor -- whatever he thought, he never had the chance to do much harm, so it's easier to forgive. The most scorn is directed at the incorrigible fans (particularly S.T. Joshi, who of all people ought to know better) who just can't accept any criticism of things they like.
Like the late unpleasantness in video games, this brings to mind the weirdness of the paragraph under "Cattle die, kindred die; all are mortal, but the good name never dies of one who has done well" in the piece 2501 linked. The author goes to a lot of effort decrying the "anathematizing" of good works when their creators are found to have done ill, but her exemplary concerns are all about people's reputations being ruined or "witchcraft trials against the weirdoes" rather than their work being targeted.
Hypothesis: This two-step is a defensive reaction to the notion that everyone on "the outside" lacks the ability to separate person and work (or, similarly, a work's politics and its artistic merit). So to protect the works, a community's "insiders" need to reject all criticism, because any one may be the pretext to destroy everything they care about. And that's where dialogue collapses/combusts.
Apologies for my failure to proof this. It makes sleepy sense to me right now and is something that's been swirling around my brain all day. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:22 pm |
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| tiburon wrote: |
| schroeder wrote: |
| Dracko wrote: |
| Theodore Bergqvist wrote: |
| Announcement: GAMERSGATE.COM is contemptibly craven and oblivious. Even at this late date, we are still terrified of this unhinged hate group and also firmly believe that both sides are to blame. Please share this post and ask your murderous troglodyte friends, whose opinions we value and respect, to do the same. And not hurt us. |
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This is really unfair. I don't think that they are forced, by dint of sharing a name which they came up with first, to speak out or be branded allies with a hate group. That's super fucked up. |
On the one hand, yeah it is unfair that they got their name hijacked. On the other, they got their name hijacked and they're still taking a conciliatory tone with these shitheads?
That's not why the response annoys me, though. I just can't stand the framing of this as a "controversy" with two sides attacking each other and the poor digital distributor caught in the middle.
I'll cop to a pretty absolutist attitude here, but I don't think it's unreasonable. Treating outrages as controversies is bad enough when it's following conventional wisdom, but so many others have clearly condemned GG that now it's pretty inexcusable not to. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:14 pm |
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| tiburon wrote: |
| You're right that they're a business, and that they probably want the money of GG-ers as well as those on the fence or the poorly informed. That's how capitalism works. Why should they have to stick their dick in the shark tank? How does it make any sense for them as a business to do so? |
A whole lot of immoral stuff is in businesses' best interests. They're not owed any respect for watching out for themselves. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:59 pm |
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| And as has been mentioned previously, Rodin, the character she is fighting, is her friend and probably the only man on the planet Bayonetta respects. I'm not at all surprised that this is what Bayonetta would consider normal sex. |
I wish the joke had been that he just relentlessly cuddles and showers her with chocolates and flowers until the vanilla sweetness crushes her. Harnessing the secret suppressed thoughts hidden deep in his heart and all. At least then the glaring sexual violence gag wouldn't have been gross and boring.
In fact, while I'm grossed out by all the sexualized violence in games, the thing that really offends me is how safe and dull it all is. "Mimicking fetish porn" isn't actually a clever aesthetic. If you want to lay claim to shocking and unsettling, go Bataille or go home. I mean, I still won't like it, but I'll scoff more quietly. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:47 am |
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| but man would they like to be. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:53 am |
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| Ni Go Zero Ichi wrote: |
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Leigh Alexander?
I like how they all have "le happy merchant" hands. Subtle. |
yeah because so many "critical theorist social justice warriors" are making so much money on this, compared to, oh, i dunno, large scale game developers. |
When you go deep enough into 4chan insanity, the "happy merchant" meme doesn't necessarily connote money-making specifically but rather blanket association with "the Jews", who as we all know are responsible for spreading liberal values such as those espoused by The SJWs as part of their plot to emasculate western civilization |
For instance. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:44 pm |
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| It says 4chan is deleting all posts about the incident, so I think that's the real crime that needs investigating here. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:35 pm |
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Oh, def. sarcastic. One of the dumber Gameghazi talking points is that even though the Quinn allegations were baseless, it was somehow criminal, or at least COLLUSION!!!, to close discussions about them.
Also, fuck Total Biscuit forever. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:56 pm |
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| miaou wrote: |
| This 'a woman said "kill all men" and I am emotionally distressed!' thing is always men complaining that women aren't being nice enough, not an actual fear of physical harm. |
Even this is too generous, I think: They don't care about those statements at all except as a bludgeon to be used on people they don't like, and it works because fucking liberals are always willing to devour their own. It's still bizarre that IGF would buy that dumb line from the rageophile chucklefucks who've vowed to destroy them, though. Like, how can the perceptions of these manbaby-shaped trash dumps possibly be worth worrying about? We know what they are and always will be, so why try to accommodate them?
In conclusion, kill all men. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:09 pm |
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| AssCreed can't be involved in a journalistic ethics scandal, there aren't any women in it. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:18 pm |
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| evnvnv wrote: |
| Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet |
Oh aren't they? |
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schroeder
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schroeder
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:51 pm |
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| If only they would actually use that list. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:20 pm |
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| evnvnv wrote: |
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If you're a girl they'll key into that, if you're losing they'll key into that, if you sound different in any way they'll key into it. |
So being a girl is on the level of losing or being "different" got it |
Yeah, not to pile on, but this is exactly the problem. Taking as given that "female" will always be a weakness to be overcome just grants the actual sexists' premise that gaming is No Grlz aLlowd. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:31 pm |
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| Brooks wrote: |
But srsly is there much to idea that some kind of sea change in what I guess I could call a social or surface or pop-cultural sphere entrenches the structural status quo rather than busts it, beyond bullshit that makes for tone arguments I mean
Old Left vs New Left etc etc |
I think it's been pretty thoroughly debunked in regards to, e.g., abortion and gay rights. There's a major change, conservative backlash, and then the acceptance of the new status quo. I don't see why it would be different elsewhere. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:09 pm |
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| Ni Go Zero Ichi wrote: |
| In all seriousness though, I haven't been reading this thread closely but it kind of seems like some people might be confused about the distinction between an action that is racist and a person who is racist |
I don't think they're (or at least I'm) confused about it so much as rejecting it. As far as I can tell, the only useful definition of "person who is racist" is "person who does racist stuff." Why would we care about anything else? How would we care about anything else? |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:46 pm |
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| Fortunately, freedom is dead at Amazon. |
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schroeder
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:01 pm |
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That's just an extra service CloudFlare provide to their clients. What, do you hate the free market? |
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