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schroeder



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:09 pm        Reply with quote

AssCreed can't be involved in a journalistic ethics scandal, there aren't any women in it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:32 pm        Reply with quote

that's what you think
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:33 pm        Reply with quote

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AssCreed can't be involved in a journalistic ethics scandal, there aren't any women in it.


Not after what happened to Jade Raymond...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:24 am        Reply with quote

Can't help but post this: https://medium.com/@cainejw/objectivity-review-truth-deconstruction-and-postmodernism-a94c931e72cd
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:00 am        Reply with quote

Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Can't help but post this: https://medium.com/@cainejw/objectivity-review-truth-deconstruction-and-postmodernism-a94c931e72cd


Yo that was the dumbest thing I've ever read
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:45 am        Reply with quote

evnvnv wrote:
Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Can't help but post this: https://medium.com/@cainejw/objectivity-review-truth-deconstruction-and-postmodernism-a94c931e72cd


Yo that was the dumbest thing I've ever read


I almost want to do a line by line takedown but I know it's not worth the effort.

Okay that's a lie I really just want to read a takedown but I know no one is going to do one.

I found it here, btw: http://www.reddit.com/r/bestofoutrageculture which is currently full of gamergate hilarity.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:12 am        Reply with quote

I don't even know what's going on any more:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MLRt8CQAAIJ1-.png
http://pic.twitter.com/OpBYDC8n1P

Took me a while to even figure whose "side" is which. I think one of the more facinating things I've realized from all this is how dangerously easy it is to isolate yourself in one's own little echo chamber on the Internet and not even realize it today.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:28 pm        Reply with quote

Mr. Mechanical wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Can't help but post this: https://medium.com/@cainejw/objectivity-review-truth-deconstruction-and-postmodernism-a94c931e72cd


Yo that was the dumbest thing I've ever read


I almost want to do a line by line takedown but I know it's not worth the effort.

Okay that's a lie I really just want to read a takedown but I know no one is going to do one.


I mean, it would end up being a usenet style response becuase almost each line has to be quoted to illustrate how dumb it is.

Hell, the fact that people still think there is such a thing as "games journalism" is a huge mistake at the heart there.

Nevermind that all his articles are gamergate bullshit. He's OBJECTIVE!

Jesus fuck the internet. Medium is kinda the worst thing.
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Adilegian
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:17 pm        Reply with quote

evnvnv wrote:
Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Can't help but post this: https://medium.com/@cainejw/objectivity-review-truth-deconstruction-and-postmodernism-a94c931e72cd


Yo that was the dumbest thing I've ever read


Someone plundered a dictionary in order to avoid context.

I'd hate to break to this person that acknowledging the persistence of bias has existed well before postmodernism became a self-conscious idea.

This reads like my own bias against deconstruction after I left undergrad before I knew how deconstruction is and has been practiced. It's more about process than conclusions, except insofar as process is the purpose, much like counseling therapy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:57 pm        Reply with quote

Ymer wrote:
I don't even know what's going on any more:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MLRt8CQAAIJ1-.png
http://pic.twitter.com/OpBYDC8n1P

Took me a while to even figure whose "side" is which. I think one of the more facinating things I've realized from all this is how dangerously easy it is to isolate yourself in one's own little echo chamber on the Internet and not even realize it today.

If that guy just chose to stop lending his time and energy to a thinly veiled hate mob that list would immediately vanish. That's the reason people don't like you, buddy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:04 pm        Reply with quote

miaou wrote:
Ymer wrote:
I don't even know what's going on any more:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MLRt8CQAAIJ1-.png
http://pic.twitter.com/OpBYDC8n1P

Took me a while to even figure whose "side" is which. I think one of the more facinating things I've realized from all this is how dangerously easy it is to isolate yourself in one's own little echo chamber on the Internet and not even realize it today.

If that guy just chose to stop lending his time and energy to a thinly veiled hate mob that list would immediately vanish. That's the reason people don't like you, buddy.

Yeah. For all of the talk about tactics and PR that goes on in the GG echo chamber, there is a significant lack of awareness about the state of their hashtag's PR.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:02 pm        Reply with quote

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Someone plundered a dictionary in order to avoid context.

Context seems to be what's missing from every person agreeing to whatever GamerGate is supposedly making a statement about.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:43 pm        Reply with quote

Adilegian wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Can't help but post this: https://medium.com/@cainejw/objectivity-review-truth-deconstruction-and-postmodernism-a94c931e72cd


Yo that was the dumbest thing I've ever read


Someone plundered a dictionary in order to avoid context.

I'd hate to break to this person that acknowledging the persistence of bias has existed well before postmodernism became a self-conscious idea.

This reads like my own bias against deconstruction after I left undergrad before I knew how deconstruction is and has been practiced. It's more about process than conclusions, except insofar as process is the purpose, much like counseling therapy.


no postmodernism is bad because it takes away muh games. SHHHHHHHH with your actually knowing what stuff is.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:04 pm        Reply with quote

http://i.imgur.com/GbqRH8T.jpg

this borders on parody but it's real
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:23 pm        Reply with quote

in 10 years a lot of these people are going to look back on what they did and facepalm for it

too much rationalization of existing viewpoints, not enough reflection on the quality of processes used to reach them
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:29 pm        Reply with quote

cassievania wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/GbqRH8T.jpg

this borders on parody but it's real


wait are gamers the answer to the gender binary
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:02 pm        Reply with quote

cassievania wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/GbqRH8T.jpg

this borders on parody but it's real

Rails against prejudices and stereotypes about gamers. Self-identifies gamers as nerds.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:03 pm        Reply with quote

mauve wrote:
in 10 years a lot of these people are going to look back on what they did and facepalm for it

Yeah, they'll be in their early 20s.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:01 pm        Reply with quote

Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:18 pm        Reply with quote

evnvnv wrote:
Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet

Oh aren't they?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:33 pm        Reply with quote

schroeder wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet

Oh aren't they?

As I recall, GG individuals were quick to burn her away as possibly being a visible representative of GG. I'm kind of surprised that they pushed away a potential token female ally as a real life Not Your Shield.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:39 pm        Reply with quote

schroeder wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet

Oh aren't they?

By far the weirdest thing I've seen come out of all this yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:20 pm        Reply with quote

https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/533025204209868800/photo/1
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:42 pm        Reply with quote

i like the guys in the responses going "not really it's through an ad partner so it doesn't count" apparently not understanding how advertising actually works
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:26 am        Reply with quote

Ni Go Zero Ichi wrote:
schroeder wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet

Oh aren't they?

By far the weirdest thing I've seen come out of all this yet.


http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2014/11/07/effects-of-gamergate-controversy-felt-in-austin-city-council-race

the person who wrote this article seems... confused. #ethicsinnongamesjournalism
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:50 am        Reply with quote

evnvnv wrote:
Ni Go Zero Ichi wrote:
schroeder wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Gamers are not specifically burdened or privileged by the institution of government.... yet

Oh aren't they?

By far the weirdest thing I've seen come out of all this yet.


http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2014/11/07/effects-of-gamergate-controversy-felt-in-austin-city-council-race

the person who wrote this article seems... confused. #ethicsinnongamesjournalism


She's a gamerghazi plant!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:43 pm        Reply with quote

Apparently this video is meant to really upset SJWs but me and Dracko talked about it and it's really middle of the road stuff we already know anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkGRw1zYAvQ

She actually says at one point words to the effect that "Sexual harassment isn't a big problem in the games industry, it only happened to me once!" Which I guess is upsetting but probably not for the reason bro team or those with a pro-GG agenda are angling for.

Also the guys who helped her resolve that situation would be SJWs or White Knights or something by GG standards anyway.

Basically this: Jenn Frank - I was a Teenage Sexist

Nobody is saying that the lack of diversity among game developers is some kind of conspiracy. This is a common tactic used by 'I'm not sexist but I'm not a feminist!' people to discredit the idea of ever changing anything, by blowing the progressive agenda way out of proportion. This woman identifies that there might be numerous aspects of the industry that will fuck you up if you work in it. What she doesn't do is make the connection that these things make the games industry a working environment that disproportionately favours straight white men. That might be why the applications 'just don't come in' from other kinds of people who do not have the institutional advantages in the rest of society that straight white men undeniably have. The only difference in viewpoint here is that 'SJWs' are suggesting that we actually try a few changes to the things everyone identifies as problems.

Bro team ask about the influence publishers and game journalists have over AAA game development, to which she answers 'lots' and 'none' respectively. Notably they don't ask how much influence social justice criticism or indie games have over AAA game development. They probably don't ask because the answers would also be 'none'.

The pernicious thing about his video is that it's going to be received as some kind of checkmate against the SJWs because 'see! a woman does agree with us!' Good shit-stirring, bro team.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:15 pm        Reply with quote

DECORATIVE
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:08 pm        Reply with quote

miaou wrote:
The pernicious thing about his video is that it's going to be received as some kind of checkmate against the SJWs because 'see! a woman does agree with us!' Good shit-stirring, bro team.

Yeah. I don't think anyone is lacking self-justifying, internally-oriented media, and neither are they lacking filtering mechanisms to interpret external media as supporting their "side," if that's how they choose to articulate their relationship to others. If they're capable of working the Intel reversal on Gamasutra into a validation of their effectiveness, I don't think there's much outside of individual revelations that will swerve GG from reifying their internal narratives.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:25 pm        Reply with quote

http://time.com/3576870/worst-words-poll-2014/

Dumb poll, dumb results, fuck Time
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:48 pm        Reply with quote

Tuxedo wrote:
http://time.com/3576870/worst-words-poll-2014/

Dumb poll, dumb results, fuck Time

I voted for "I can't even", but "om nom nom" was a close second.

(Genuinely surprised that "privilege", "feels" and "all the [noun]" aren't on the list)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:29 am        Reply with quote

surprised "this is so important" didn't chart, but maybe that's just the most irritating phrase to only me. The moment I saw a tumblr post talking about how "Night at the Museum" was a "really important movie you guys", I gave up on this species and its hopes for survival, let alone any hope for cultural flourishing.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:18 am        Reply with quote

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/the-waronnerds-how-far-left-feminists-and-the-media-created-gamergate/

It's like all this stuff is bleeding in from some parallel dimension.

If anything this all makes me wonder: if every online community these days is essentially a kind of echo chamber then what kind of echo chamber is select button?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:21 am        Reply with quote

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a tumblr post talking about how "Night at the Museum" was a "really important movie you guys"


Sometimes I really want a window into this horrible tumblr nightmarescape you reference from time to time. But then... I don't know if I really want that, you know?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:22 am        Reply with quote

Mr. Mechanical wrote:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/the-waronnerds-how-far-left-feminists-and-the-media-created-gamergate/

It's like all this stuff is bleeding in from some parallel dimension.

If anything this all makes me wonder: if every online community these days is essentially a kind of echo chamber then what kind of echo chamber is select button?


One full of sjw libtards obviously
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:03 am        Reply with quote

Tulpa wrote:
The moment I saw a tumblr post talking about how "Night at the Museum" was a "really important movie you guys", I gave up on this species and its hopes for survival, let alone any hope for cultural flourishing.

You held out longer than most of us.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:08 am        Reply with quote

evnvnv wrote:
Mr. Mechanical wrote:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/the-waronnerds-how-far-left-feminists-and-the-media-created-gamergate/

It's like all this stuff is bleeding in from some parallel dimension.

If anything this all makes me wonder: if every online community these days is essentially a kind of echo chamber then what kind of echo chamber is select button?


One full of sjw libtards obviously


A cool one that is at least coherent enough to even pose that question to itself
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:06 am        Reply with quote

evnvnv wrote:
Tulpa wrote:
a tumblr post talking about how "Night at the Museum" was a "really important movie you guys"


Sometimes I really want a window into this horrible tumblr nightmarescape you reference from time to time. But then... I don't know if I really want that, you know?


Turns out, it didn't claim to be 'so important' but the post was still structured like the countless 'this is so important' posts I've seen.

http://bananagirlworld16.tumblr.com/post/96080229275/okay-but-why-dont-more-people-talk-about-night-at

Honestly, the nightmarescape I exist on is partly to keep a pulse on what preposterous things people get up to.

The 'this is so important' post is structurally identical. Take some late capitalist garbage mass media, by coincidence it has some quality that appeals to the teenager with (very) vague leftist leanings, sermon on the mount about its greatness and integrity, though this is transparent and desperate defense for one's own bad taste. Get acknowledged and praised by hundreds of thousands of people for having terrible taste.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:33 pm        Reply with quote

Tulpa wrote:
evnvnv wrote:
Tulpa wrote:
a tumblr post talking about how "Night at the Museum" was a "really important movie you guys"


Sometimes I really want a window into this horrible tumblr nightmarescape you reference from time to time. But then... I don't know if I really want that, you know?


Turns out, it didn't claim to be 'so important' but the post was still structured like the countless 'this is so important' posts I've seen.

http://bananagirlworld16.tumblr.com/post/96080229275/okay-but-why-dont-more-people-talk-about-night-at

Honestly, the nightmarescape I exist on is partly to keep a pulse on what preposterous things people get up to.

The 'this is so important' post is structurally identical. Take some late capitalist garbage mass media, by coincidence it has some quality that appeals to the teenager with (very) vague leftist leanings, sermon on the mount about its greatness and integrity, though this is transparent and desperate defense for one's own bad taste. Get acknowledged and praised by hundreds of thousands of people for having terrible taste.


The phrase "poc people" makes me want to tear my hair out
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:59 pm        Reply with quote

i think the real enemy is 13 and 14 year olds with such a direct and intimate connection to the internet. on the gamergate side, on the "annoying sjw" side.

i feel like this might be the most justified "kids are the fucking worst these days" generation and i fully embrace being a crotchety old man
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the "why the FUCK doesn't ANYONE TALK about THING THAT 900 BILLION HUMAN BEINGS TALK ABOUT EVERY GODDAMN DAY let me LECTURE YOU ABOUT IT IN INTERNET YELLS" format is the most annoying thing on the internet outside of things that might actually matter to human beings in the world
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