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CubaLibre
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:28 am        Reply with quote

Well you know, I saw "skirting the edge of pointless rehash" and warning bells went off.

But awesome! We're on the same page!

Personally I don't feel bad about derailing a Spider-Man 3 thread when the damn movie ain't out in the damn country that damn well created the damn character.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:04 am        Reply with quote

Spiderman 1-3 :: '00s
as
Star Wars 4-6 :: '70s/'80s?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:07 am        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
Spiderman 1-3 :: '00s
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Star Wars 4-6 :: '70s/'80s?


The allusion has been made by a few critics, if I recall correctly! It might not be a completely direct analogy, but there are definitely some similarities. I'll have to hold off on this until I watch Spiderman 3 though.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:09 am        Reply with quote

I'm thinking in terms of fans nearly as much as I am the movies themselves.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:15 am        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
I'm thinking in terms of fans nearly as much as I am the movies themselves.


Wouldn't we have to wait 15-20 years to see what the kids who watch this with their parents think of it once they're adults?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:19 am        Reply with quote

Probably so.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:25 am        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
But awesome! We're on the same page!

I believe you will find that untrue.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:10 am        Reply with quote

another god wrote:
wpham wrote:
For those of you who've seen it, please place it in a ranking of personal preference with the following movies:

Batman Forever
X-men 3
Terminator 3
Revenge of the Sith
Matrix Revolutions


Terminator 3 was fucking amazing


Hell yeah it was!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:51 am        Reply with quote

Eric-Jon Rössel Waugh wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
But awesome! We're on the same page!

I believe you will find that untrue.


Oh, ho!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:01 am        Reply with quote

I'm reading over the Rotten Tomatoes reviews of this.

Jack Matthews, New York Daily News wrote:
I'll take a wild guess and say that Spidey fans come for the action and, on that count, they will not be disappointed.


Yeah, no, Jack. T-T "Spidey fans" come for the whole fucking movie, not for the action. It's like he's saying a "Spidey fan" would flip through the comic book and never read the words because they come "for the pictures". Man.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:35 am        Reply with quote

so is this a good sam raimi film then?

if it's not a good spiderman film anyway
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:05 am        Reply with quote

This is probably going to be the minority view, but I thought it was both a good Spider-Man movie, and a good Sam Raimi movie. It's far from perfect- many are going to call this the Return of the Jedi of the trilogy, but it's that very lack of perfection, coupled with a manic "let's go out with a bang and throw EVERYTHING into this one film" mentality, that makes it weirdly wonderful and immensely entertaining for me.

Think of this as the Army of Darkness of the Spider-Man movies, and you won't be too far off. Weirder, goofier, but in some ways also the most fun film of three. The "bad Peter Parker goes to town" sequence is a classic, in my opinion, and James Franco finally does something great with the role of Harry, at times echoing Willem Dafoe's performance in the original.

The only things that really rubbed me wrong were Venom, who has no business being in the movie (Sam Raimi's one bad call was not telling all the execs to fuck off when they told him to shoehorn the character into the film to please the damn fans), all the crazy retconning that the movie indulged in, and the cringe-inducingly terrible introduction to the final battle, complete with the most irritating English-accented reporter I've seen on film.

Other than those, I thought this was a ball of fun, and well worth seeing at least once (preferably in HD- I watched it at a theatre equipped with a new 4000x2000 pixel (or something like that) resolution Sony projector, and holy shit did it look good. Sandman's transformation sequence, in particular, was jaw-droppingly gorgeous).

Man, this summer season is really gonna be something!

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108 wrote:
So yeah. I guess this franchise has been "Batman and Robin"'d. Though maybe that's a bit harsh. I walked out the second the credits began on "Batman and Robin", yeah, and I promised I would never watch it again, though I would gladly watch this again.

Whoa, that is a bit harsh! I walked out after the first 10 minutes of Batman & Robin! Can't imagine anyone hating this movie that much (unless you really, really can't stand hammy, soap-opera-ish acting, in which case you might walk out by the mid-point).
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:17 am        Reply with quote

Man, I want to get in on this ranking business

Terminator 3
Revenge of the Sith
Batman Forever
X-Men 3
Matrix Revolutions

I would label them as such:

"surprisingly good"
"not bad"
"disappointing"
"terrible"
"what the fuck"
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:24 am        Reply with quote

Terminator 3 was fucking dogshit. Seriously.

I don't know how I would rank the others though. They are all pretty bad.

I really hope I accidently like Spider-Man 3!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:37 pm        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
I'm thinking in terms of fans nearly as much as I am the movies themselves.

If you're talking about the trilogy as a cultural phenomenon, then the most important part is probably the merchanidising. And Spidey doesn't even begin to hope to want to come close. I don't think any movie ever will.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:17 am        Reply with quote

well, the merchandising isn't a fair comparison anyway cause Spidey's already an established property, and you can't really clearly separate movie merchandise from comic merchandise cause there's so much overlap.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:17 am        Reply with quote

It's also worth noting that both Spiderman and the Lord of the Rings (the other trilogy that's brought up ZOMG MODERN STAR WARS comparisons) existed well before the movies. They were simply translating a well known cultural work to a new medium. Star Wars came out of no where and created it's own thing. Big movies don't even bother attempting that anymore. They're all based on something.

As for Spiderman 3, which I have now seen:

LOL EMO-MAN AMIRITE

I was actually discussing this with some friends before we saw the movie. I said that the whole series is very angsty and tends to play to the emo crowd a bit. One of my friends literally said "well, it's not like they're dying his hair black and covering one eye with it."

Boy, was that fun WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:21 am        Reply with quote

108 wrote:
I'm reading over the Rotten Tomatoes reviews of this.

Jack Matthews, New York Daily News wrote:
I'll take a wild guess and say that Spidey fans come for the action and, on that count, they will not be disappointed.


Yeah, no, Jack. T-T "Spidey fans" come for the whole fucking movie, not for the action. It's like he's saying a "Spidey fan" would flip through the comic book and never read the words because they come "for the pictures". Man.


This is the truth. The comic geeks I saw this with had an endless litany of problems with this movie--and these were guys who actually didn't mind Gwen Stacy not being mentioned in the first two movies.

I enjoyed it! Maybe only because I had this thread as advance notice. Not that there weren't bad parts before it, but it's all downhill from the moment the first guy drops out of the last fight.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:55 pm        Reply with quote

negativedge wrote:
It's also worth noting that both Spiderman and the Lord of the Rings (the other trilogy that's brought up ZOMG MODERN STAR WARS comparisons) existed well before the movies. They were simply translating a well known cultural work to a new medium. Star Wars came out of no where and created it's own thing. Big movies don't even bother attempting that anymore. They're all based on something.

Fo rizzles. One of the many reasons I love The Fifth Element.

I worked at a movie theater for four years, and one summer a while back I looked at the dozen or so "Coming Soon" posters lining the walls and realized that every single one was a sequel, based on a previous work, or based on a True Story. It is sad and strange.
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I laughed way too much at imappropriate times in this move. A++++ will ride again.
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If they had gone all out and actually used Stayin' Alive for that one scene, I'd declare this the greatest movie of the new millenium.
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I rather enjoyed it. Action was fun, though camera could have not been all over the place as much when they where fly fighting. Very humorous, the Emo = evil alien joke was awesome, I just thought that it was hilarious, especially the Jazz part. The sad emotional scenes were...good?...ish..good enough for me, I wasn't one of the people who laughed at the parts at least. Over fun movie. But as some mentioned before, Venom. What the fuck. Not even cool. Just had to go crush my hopes of Venom ever getting another shot by killing Eddie Brock. He should have either not been in this movie or just get his own damn movie so that they can properly develop his story and interest. I guess it didn't help that Sam Raimi never liked Venom as a character so went to kill him off quick. That and my biggest complaint (besides Venom) was that they tried to rush the overall Spider-man story by putting in about 3000 differen't story arcs. They just need to learn to pace themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:33 am        Reply with quote

The funny parts were very funny. It may just be because I watched it on a crappy screen, but at first, I thought there was something funny and not all that good with the effects. However, I looked closer and it some of the odd effects really made me feel like I was looking at a comic book, so I ended up likeing them. The jury is still out on what I thought about the film overall, other than I am pretty sure that I liked 2 better, but this one had some really good moments.

Edit: Also, I stayed until the end of the credits to see if there was anything extra, and laughed at the message saying the location was fictional and any similiarities to real locations is coincidental.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:09 am        Reply with quote

it was probably too long, and a little too intense, to make people keep coming back to rewatch it as much as Spiderman 2. but even though I feel exhausted I still feel like it was great! gotta give respect to the director, there's so much going on here that it's just amazing that it didn't end up a trainwreck, somehow he held everything together decently.

forgive me if I sound really cheesy but I feel the "moral" presented throughout the movie is actually a nice relief in times like these? it could've been presented a lot worse and.... I just kinda think it's something most people have forgotten in our culture these days. especially in movies.

I did not expect the "emo" part and oh god that was hilarious. (and I'm not referring to the black suit or the rainy cathedral)
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:26 am        Reply with quote

Oh man. Got back several hours ago from seeing this and yeah, what a letdown. I knew what to expect, but it still disappointed. "Goblin Jr." should have never been in the movie; they should have just let that story arc disappear into a future film.

The Sandman was really something; his initial "rebirth" was a pretty compelling little scene, although I have long grown tired of lockets and sick children and other such off-the-shelf clichés. And of course, the Uncle Ben about-face was dumb, even from the trailer onward.

I felt like Sam Raimi just went batshit, and not in a good way; I think he honestly lost his mind while making this film, and it shows. It's just all over the place. I know none of this is surprising, and I have long known about all the executive meddling, but it was still obvious.

The film, quite frankly, is boring. I'm not your 18-24, action-beat-every-ten-pages audience, either. But the drama was hammy, the plot was like a collection of leftovers you heat up for hangover breakfast and find, much to your surprise, that it doesn't taste the least bit good, not even with ketchup.

If you really look at the film, Sandman didn't need to be there either. He literally did nothing. What was his character? What is he there for? How does he affect anything? He doesn't. You could edit him out of the movie and it would be no different.

So really, it should have been a film about Venom. I waited seventeen years to see Venom in a movie, only to see him live and die within 30 minutes. He certainly looked fantastic, and I think Topher Grace did a good job of being a different kind of Eddie Brock; a completely pathetic, desperate guy who goes awry. But it's hard to create a character in 30 minutes when there are a half-dozen others fighting for your attention.

When this comes out on DVD, I would like to own the section of the film in which Venom appears. The rest was kind of pap, and I can do without it.

And yeah. Wow. Emo hair. Toby should post in the Vanity Photo thread.

Incidentally I am playing both the Wii and Xbox 360 versions of the game. the Wii version is shit, plain and simple. It looks, sounds, and controls in the most terrible ways. The 360 version looks and sounds great, and is a breeze to play. It's kind of boring, but I'll keep at it until I get to fight me some Venom (maybe).
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:40 am        Reply with quote

I had fun watching the movie.

It's not a great film, but I have to say that it was a success. I mean, after seeing it with some friends (and a diehard spider-man audience) there was a lot to talk about. So as a movie (in a packed theater) I'd have to say it is everything I could hope it to be.

Whether or not it goes beyond that, I can't say. I'd probably have to watch it again.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:22 am        Reply with quote

i am going to say that my official statement about spiderman 3 is this

(by the way i loved this movie and i love comic books)

Spiderman 3 succeeds where Batman & Robin failed: Making a comic book movie that is actually as stupid as reading a real comic book.
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Joe of fourhman.com writes a live weblog during Spider-Man 3. I found it entertaining, anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:19 am        Reply with quote

Woah none of you are getting it. Half of you are complaining about sequels, and the other half are complaining that there was too much story in the film that should have been in another sequel.

This movie was made to make sure there WASN'T a sequel. Everyone involved wanted to kill the franchise. They succeeded pretty beautifully!
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:38 am        Reply with quote

Rud13inJapan wrote:
This movie was made to make sure there WASN'T a sequel. Everyone involved wanted to kill the franchise. They succeeded pretty beautifully!

O RLY? Nothing Sam Raimi or any of the film's stars have said suggests this. It seems to me that this film was made to wrap up every loose thread from the previous movies so that some other director, along with a new cast, can step up for the fourth one.

It's pretty much a given that there's gonna be a sequel, anyway. By now, any film with Spider-Man in its name is a guaranteed blockbuster. It would take a far worse film than this one to destroy the series' credibility in the public eye.
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I loved to see a movie by Sam Raimi, who hates Venom, that feels like a movie by a guy who hates Venom. Because, well, Venom is a really, really stupid character. As are most comic book characters. He's not as stupid as Mysterio, I guess. What's sad is up to this point, they managed to keep the influence of very poorly created comic book characters to a minimum; the Green Goblin was actually kind of OK, and Doc Ock made sense. The whole Black Suit Spider-man from Secret Wars II and Venom origin is laughably bad, and it was great to see them try and fit it into a movie that was ultimately about jazz music.

The movie needed Mysterio instead of Venom.
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Perseus wrote:
Rud13inJapan wrote:
This movie was made to make sure there WASN'T a sequel. Everyone involved wanted to kill the franchise. They succeeded pretty beautifully!

O RLY? Nothing Sam Raimi or any of the film's stars have said suggests this. It seems to me that this film was made to wrap up every loose thread from the previous movies so that some other director, along with a new cast, can step up for the fourth one.

It's pretty much a given that there's gonna be a sequel, anyway. By now, any film with Spider-Man in its name is a guaranteed blockbuster. It would take a far worse film than this one to destroy the series' credibility in the public eye.


Wow. That's the first "O RLY" that I've seen on select button. I seem to recall that Kirsten Dunst was hopeful that spider man would die in the third movie. Though that is third hand at absolute best.

And from what I've read in this thread, if you can't tell that Sam didn't want to make another movie, then you can't read between the lines.

Finally Wikipedia (admittedtly not the best source) indicates that there will be three more movies. But none of the cast nor director have signed on yet.
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boojiboy7 wrote:
I laughed way too much at imappropriate times in this move. A++++ will ride again.


The audience where i saw it were laughing at everything.
The emo-pimp smack, harry doing a painting, the all american flag.
Oh well...i'd give the film 3/10. Its better best forgotten.
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Dude, the dark side Peter Parker emo haircut was one of my favorite parts.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:47 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, there was a lot of odd moments on unintentional hilarity. Everyone in the theatre here laughed when Harry was painting, too. Most of the film felt like watching your awkward, drunk uncle make a fool of himself at a family reunion.

That liveblog was perfect and hilarious.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:40 pm        Reply with quote

Predator Goose wrote:
Wow. That's the first "O RLY" that I've seen on select button.

*shrugs* Someone had to do it.

Predator Goose wrote:
I seem to recall that Kirsten Dunst was hopeful that spider man would die in the third movie. Though that is third hand at absolute best.

I believe she implied, or maybe said outright, in some interview that Mary Jane would die.

Predator Goose wrote:
And from what I've read in this thread, if you can't tell that Sam didn't want to make another movie, then you can't read between the lines.

Didn't say he did want to make another movie- just that it seems damn unlikely that he wants to kill the franchise, given how much (he's repeatedly stated that) he loves Spidey.

Predator Goose wrote:
Finally Wikipedia (admittedtly not the best source) indicates that there will be three more movies. But none of the cast nor director have signed on yet.

Yeah, Sam Raimi said in a recent interview that Sony's already planning 4,5, and 6. He also said that he's not ruling out directing another one, if he likes the story enough.

Personally, I'd like to see a new director helm the next one. A del Toro or Cuaron Spider-Man would be something interesting to see. Any other ideas for good replacement directors?
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Whoops, yeah, "kill the franchise" and "Sam didn't want to make another movie" would be two separate things. My bad.
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I still haven't seen this movie.

I am getting the game today though. ^_^
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:59 pm        Reply with quote

Topher Grace was fantastic

Bruce Campbell was fantastic

the rest though, jesus. stan lee's appearance in particular was incredibly irksome whenever they barely spent any time on eddie brock. aunt may's moral of the day was just too fucking obviously referencing the black suit to be anything other than a joke by the writers.

yeah, though, Topher Grace did a top-drawer Brock considering how little material he had to work with.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:51 am        Reply with quote

Wait, Venom is actually in this?

Oh, fuck.
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