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Ebrey



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:33 am        Reply with quote

I remember Tim Rogers asking the same question about 24 and also dismissing it. Unless it was aderack?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:11 pm        Reply with quote

Holy crap Paper Rad have an Adult Swim pilot. There's a little preview on the lower right. Paper Rad are an art collective that release cartoons, comics, and art books, and each member is in a few bands too. This will be one of the best things on Adult Swim if it gets picked up.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:39 am        Reply with quote

Finally got around to watching the first 5 episodes of Caprica. As good as the first 2 and a half seasons of Battlestar Galactica were, the ending left me with no desire to see a prequel. Caprica was conceived after the second season of BSG, when a 50-years-before story sounded like a good idea. If it had been written after season 4 I bet they would have separated it from the BSG series. The Battlestar connection isn't helping it in the ratings.

But once you get past the BSG prequel thing, it's addictive. The pilot is far less awkward than the mini-series that started off Battlestar Galactica. It's dark, full of potential and really well directed. The next few episodes are still good, but seem to lack urgency. That's not good for a first season, which normally hurry up to make sure people are interested. You have time to stretch out in later years.

Luckily the 5th episode was really fantastic and got things back on track. Its main storyline about a girl trapped in the virtual world is almost completely cribbed from .hack//sign, but it's told in 45 minutes instead of 26 episodes.

The actors on the show are uniformly excellent, whereas BSG had a mix of great actors like Olmos and terrible ones like Grace Park. Caprica also seems much more suited to Ron D. Moore's talents. BSG revealed that he has no knack for setting up long term plot threads and mysteries, as the last season didn't resolve any of the show's mysteries well. Caprica is a smaller scale show that might only need 2 or 3 seasons to wrap up its plot. That should be a lot harder for RDM to fuck up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:58 pm        Reply with quote

I just heard about the show Party Down, which is weird since it's on its second season. It's created by the writers of Veronica Mars and Paul Rudd, who guest starred on a Veronica Mars episode. I watched a few episodes and it has potential, but it's got some awfully clunky jokes. Maybe it's because the writers haven't done a sitcom before, but it doesn't feel very fresh. It did a joke about "Mexican" being a racial slur which The Office did about 5 years ago.

Definitely worth it for Veronica Mars fans though - in the early episodes they make sure to have a VM actor guest star each week. The cast is mostly VM actors and Martin Starr, the funniest geek from Freaks and Geeks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:40 pm        Reply with quote

I stopped watching The Office after the mediocre 4th season. Did it ever get better, or is it continuing solely on past glory?

Party Down was pretty good but you can tell the writers hadn't done a sitcom in a while, because some of the jokes were pretty stale.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:46 am        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
As someone who's never seen Mad Men I thought it was about the 50's just from so many people saying it's about the 50's.


I think when people say the 50s they mean 1946-64 and when they say the 60s they mean the Vietnam War era.

BalbanesBeoulve wrote:
You guys seem to really like Louie. I'm not a fan of the guy based on what i've seen of him. Somebody describe it in comparison to other shows.


If Louie was like other shows we wouldn't like it so much. Though if you don't like Louie CK's standup I can't imagine you liking the show that much. I think most of us who love the show also find his standup brilliant.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:39 am        Reply with quote

Fuck, Caprica just got canceled. It was a slow moving show that I wouldn't recommend to everyone, but I enjoyed it more than almost anything on TV. It looked and sounded great, had an amazing cast and dealt with interesting issues. It was better than a lot of BSG, but nobody watched it because the concept wasn't as mainstream friendly.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:54 pm        Reply with quote

Tulpa wrote:
Maybe nobody watched it because the pilot was terrible


The Caprica pilot was leagues better than the Battlestar Galactica miniseries.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:52 am        Reply with quote

The BSG cast is much less consistent than the Caprica cast. There are great actors, like Edward James Olmos, but there's also crappy ones like Grace Park. What's worse is that almost everyone is bad in the miniseries. Caprica's cast is great from the start, and the direction of the pilot is far more mature than BSG's miniseries.

BSG's miniseries felt like, well, a Sci-Fi miniseries. Caprica's pilot intrigued me right away - which is a Hell of a feat considering that BSG's ending pissed me off. I almost didn't watch the pilot because of that.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:42 pm        Reply with quote

Man, I have so little interest in Blood & Chrome. If you can't finish Caprica just let BSG die :(.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:24 am        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
Yes, the show did constantly stretch out the thriller vehicle near its limit, I do though think even the general payoff there was good enough. I dunno, I'm just tired of every damn show being cancelled because it doesn't pull 2 million viewers per episode. Much like the games industry, I don't think TV should try to sustain itself on blockbusters only. AMC came from nowhere 3 years ago with a couple of the best TV shows maybe ever, but I don't want to see them only hunting gold.


The channel a show airs on determines how many viewers it has to get to survive, and sadly, shows are rarely allowed to change channels. Firefly probably would have gone 7 years on Sci-Fi (with a lower budget), while Battlestar Galactica wouldn't have lasted 2 episodes on NBC. So there's no way for most TV show creators to keep their show alive other than trying to keep the ratings up. Futurama and Friday Night Lights have jumped ship to channels with lower expectations, but they're rare exceptions.

AMC isn't "hunting gold", as 2 million viewers would be really awful on a Big Four network. They're looking for modest numbers to fund shows that look as good as Mad Men and Breaking Bad and their competitors (HBO and Showtime). It wouldn't make much sense for AMC to air a mix of high budget blockbusters and low budget shows that get lower ratings, because they're trying to establish themselves as a brand and need consistency.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:00 am        Reply with quote

I started watching the first season of Spartacus: Blood and Sand and find it surprisingly enjoyable. I was just expecting a trashy Rome ripoff, but it's pretty fun to watch. It's produced by Sam Raimi and Rob Tapert, so it's got that campy Xena vibe, but it's created by Steve DeKnight, darkest of the Buffy/Angel writers, so it can get disturbing too. The show is also constantly trying to surpass HBO in sex and gore and that works pretty well for both the campy side of the show and the dark side.

As an added bonus, Spartacus: Blood and Sand has the best combination of hypermasculine violence and homosexuality since Oz.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:47 am        Reply with quote

Zach Galifianakis is guest starring in an HBO pilot starring Brody Stevens, a very weird comic I can't help but love.

I have very high hopes for this considering how funny it was the last time they worked together: The Brody Stevens Interview Challenge.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:54 am        Reply with quote

nothingxs wrote:
can someone PLEASE explain the appeal of the office to me


Season 1's a bit rough, and season 4 started to get boring so I quit watching, but 2 and 3 were great fun. The Office has a great cast, funny writers, and widespread appeal because it's about issues that most people who've worked in an office have dealt with. Previous workplace sitcoms were very specific and applied to jobs that few people had (Sports Night is about sports commentators, NewsRadio is about radio broadcasters, etc.), whereas The Office's office is so generic that it appeals to anyone with a white collar job. That's why it can be remade in a million different countries and still be popular.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:40 pm        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
Ebrey wrote:
Season 1's a bit rough, and season 4 started to get boring so I quit watching, but 2 and 3 were great fun. The Office has a great cast, funny writers


Maybe you are burnt out on the show I dunno, but if you think there's a chance you could pick it up again, you should give it a try.

The first half of season 4 was definitely weak, but the last half picks up and the finale was super funny.

I think Season 5 had some misses too, but less than S4. What I've seen of S6 has been all good.


I'll probably give season 5 a chance someday. Right now I'm enjoying Parks and Rec, which gets really good in the second season even though its first season was even worse than The Office's. I appreciate when shows have short first seasons (Seinfeld and Buffy did this too), because they're often crappy!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:34 am        Reply with quote

internisus wrote:
AllenSmithee wrote:
plus, I'm all for changing adaptations if the movie is good anyway. Fuck "staying true", because that really shouldn't effect the enjoyment of cinema (or literature, or sequential art, or video games, et cetera)


Well, it's not so much about being true to the source material for me as I just find it ridiculous for a character to be excellent at everything. Someone with Holmes's brains should be more vulnerable in the physical department to keep things compelling, I think. If that's Doyle's fault, fine; wherever it comes from, I think it's a bad idea.


I think the idea of people who are smart being physically weak and vice versa is incredibly cliche and even worse than a perfect character. The human brain is complex: there are a million personality faults you can give someone who is otherwise brilliant, and that's more interesting than making them a wimp.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:46 am        Reply with quote

Renfrew wrote:
There are some after the second season and some and a movie after the third, right?


There's a webisode series after the second season that's included in the first disc of the third season, if you're watching on DVD.

Between season 3 and 4 the TV movie "The Razor" was released, and that's when you're supposed to watch it, though it actually takes place before that.

The second webisode series, "The Face of the Enemy", was released in the mid season break of season 4. So watch it in the middle.
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