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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject: Heroes season finale (spoilers are a given)    Reply with quote

Was anyone else underwhelmed by the climax? Nathan's decision to sacrifice his life seemed a bit...abrupt.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:57 am        Reply with quote

I was somewhat underwhelmed, yes.
Is peter still alive, is nathan alive, what the fuck was up with that manhole cover, why is hiro in feudal japan with Kensei, and WHY oh WHY did the creators pull a LOST when they said they weren't going to?
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:51 am        Reply with quote

Yeah I'm right there with you guys on this one.

Not nearly enough closure on this one. And what closure we got wasn't very punchy.

Still gets a marginal thumbs-up from me, though.

ps - I really dislike that girl who plays Molly Walker. and her dialouge. :(
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:28 am        Reply with quote

Why couldn't The Incredible Empathy Man just fly out of town himself?
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:09 pm        Reply with quote

shrugtheironteacup wrote:
Why couldn't The Incredible Empathy Man just fly out of town himself?


That would have taken his concentration away from not exploding.

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Is peter still alive, is nathan alive, what the fuck was up with that manhole cover, why is hiro in feudal japan with Kensei, and WHY oh WHY did the creators pull a LOST when they said they weren't going to?


oh noes everything wasnt tied up in a neat package!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:16 pm        Reply with quote

I was actually pretty happy about it, keeping in mind that the whole show has been absed on comic books, and, like a lot of them (X-Men) will never give definite answers about stuff until forced to (Wolverine).
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:50 pm        Reply with quote

I enjoyed seeing Sylar getting beaten to the ground. I bet season two will be flashier, since they will probably be given a higher budget and everyone is more "comfortable" with their powers.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:00 pm        Reply with quote

special blend wrote:
Was anyone else underwhelmed by the climax? Nathan's decision to sacrifice his life seemed a bit...abrupt.

But it was a redeeming action, proving his mother wrong and whatnot. He prevented the city from having it's nuclear fallout and saved millions of lives, including all the main characters (and his daughter). The "save the cheerleader, save the world" bit came up again. Because Claire survived the Sylar attack and was alive in NY the eve of the blast, she was able to convince Peter to not run around following the orders given to him.

Kappuru wrote:
I was somewhat underwhelmed, yes.
Is peter still alive, is nathan alive, what the fuck was up with that manhole cover, why is hiro in feudal japan with Kensei, and WHY oh WHY did the creators pull a LOST when they said they weren't going to?

Sylar escaped to the sewers, and the roach is a throwback to one of the episodes where he was held in the paper factory all drugged-out. I can't remember if the roach is powers-related (Kafka!!) or just a metaphor for something. His inability to die or his ability to survive (like the fall after he attacked Peter way back in Texas.

Hiro teleporting around is just fun.

Pulled a Lost how? I only wathced the first season on DVD.

shrugtheironteacup wrote:
Why couldn't The Incredible Empathy Man just fly out of town himself?

There were other ways to avoid the bomb going off, such as him getting killed or him leaving town way before the given day and time. But his loyalty to his brother and the 22-episode build up were his main reasons for still being in the city. It's also the reason Hiro didn't just teleport both of them to the middle of Kansas 10,000 BC.

As of now, he's still alive I guess. In the future episode, he admits to blowing up the city and surviving it, so there would be no reason to assume that he wouldn't survive this time. Nathan could also have dropped Peter and flown away in time. As of the finale, the only characters killed off were Linderman and the Eric Roberts guy. Peter, DL, Matt are all seriously wounded, so them's the possible returners.

Renfrew wrote:
I enjoyed seeing Sylar getting beaten to the ground. I bet season two will be flashier, since they will probably be given a higher budget and everyone is more "comfortable" with their powers.

Niki's conflict and resolution was a little more entertaining. And they'll be using a slew of new characters in season two, not just the established cast.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:29 pm        Reply with quote

All in all the Petrelli matriarch is a serious bitch.

But I felt like it was inconclusive as well. A lot of the turns seemed forced. For one, Supermom Petrelli being a heinous bitch is something I wanted to see explored. Nathan and Sylar's turnarounds are things I want explained, too.

Sylar seemed like a character on the Magneto scale (tho he's more of the anti-Magneto). Imagine him securing all of the superpowers of all of the heroes and pushing forward with human evolution? That is the superhuman dilemma after all - what to do with Darwinism in a world where people are so clearly not equal.

I also kind of hoped that Heroes wouldn't have been so sequel ready. I'd like, for once, to see a superhero story that didn't need to be realized forever. It just gets silly, and it loses a lot of meaning. It also means that no serious issue will ever be tackled because people would only hope for something bigger, and... meh.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:07 am        Reply with quote

I just watched this

not to be too internet, but this will henceforth be known as the "lol" episode.

dl: "oh hey I'm not dead yet lol"

molly: "hey guys there's someone even worse than sylar lol"

suresh: "check it out I have a health powerup lol"
dl: "thanks lol"

parker: "hey I am going to shoot you"
sylar: "lol"
parker: "oshi"

peter: "gonna blow up gonna blow up GONNA BLOW UP"
claire: "i don't want to shoot you"
nathan: "it is okay I will bravely sacrifice myself to save you all"
audience:"but if she shot him wouldn't it stop him and then he would heal"
writers: "lol"
audience: "or if they knocked him unconscious"
writers: "lol"
audience: "or if he flew up by himself"
writers: "lol"
audience: "or or or or or or or"
writers: "lol"

sylar: "gonna go be a ninja turtle lol"

ancient japanese guy: "hey guys check out my banner lol"

and so on
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:46 am        Reply with quote

This show is really hit or miss. I think some of the casting is awful, as the only character I enjoy watching is Hiro. Even Sylar just isn't... evil enough.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:23 am        Reply with quote

Dude's murdered like 50 people...
Killed his own mother...
Laughed/taunted Hiro...

What the fuck more do you want, Chris?
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:31 am        Reply with quote

I want him to listen to EMO MUSIK

(Or just a really good shot of him walking down a hallway murdering a bunch of clowns and puppies)
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:41 am        Reply with quote

Did Sylar kill the Ninth Doctor Who? I only saw about half of the episodes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:32 am        Reply with quote

special blend wrote:
Did Sylar kill the Ninth Doctor Who? I only saw about half of the episodes.


As I recall he ran off after Overprotective Father and his boss tracked down him and The Incredible Empathy Man and was never heard from again.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:46 am        Reply with quote

Heroes has been a let-down ever since Five Years Gone, which is sad but inevitable (and sad + inevitable = tragic) considering that Five Years Gone was fucking awesome. Yeah, last couple episodes, including the finale, did very little for me. Actually, in the finale, I predicted the little twists moments before they happened: I knew immediately that the scene Niki found in that room was the work of Candice or whatever he name is, and I knew that Charles was going to speak to Peter after his mother left. So there's something different between the normal type of writing on the show and the kind of all-out crazy shit we saw in Five Years Gone, and the normal stuff isn't doing it for me. Also, I haven't liked the show as much since Bennett became Clearly a Good Guy. He was really interesting for a good while there.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:52 pm        Reply with quote

I was just sort of "whelmed" by the finale, neither over- nor under-.

I think that Heroes was very "TV 2.0" (yes, I'm saying that tongue-in-cheek), in that it was heavily guided by viewer feedback. At the beginning of the last episode, for instance, when Niki says "why didn't you phase through the bullet?" when she hadn't said that in the same scene in the previous episode, it felt to me like that question came straight off of a message board somewhere. Likewise, on the Wikipedia article the series creators say that each season was supposed to follow a completely different set of characters, but that everyone loved many of the first season characters so much that they decided to continue them into the second season (and everyone loved Hiro so much that he was in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING EPISODE WHETHER HE ACTUALLY DID ANYTHING OR NOT).

If I met the series creators, the first thing I'd ask them is how much was planned out, and how much just sort of happened. Was the Mrs. Petrelli who was arrested for shoplifting in the first episode intended to be the final mastermind behind everything? Was George Takei really intended to be Obi Wan Kenobi at the end, or just a fun cameo? Was Simone supposed to die, even though she appeared in Peter's "blowing up" flash forwards? Was any thought given to the fact that Peter ends up blowing up at night instead of in the middle of the day, as all his flash-forwards and Hiro's witnessing indicate?

The show also lost a lot of momentum when it came back from hiatus and I don't think it really ever got it back, and I'm a little worried about the "American Idol"-style sub-show that they're going to do next season where viewers vote for a new character. For all my griping, though, I have to say that so far this is the third best TV series I've ever seen, after Avatar and Firefly, and I look forward to seeing what they do with the second season.

I really liked "Five Years Gone" specifically because it made me very uncomfortable and gave a clear indication of what was at stake.

I, too, am wondering what "pull a Lost" means; I "Lost" interest in Lost halfway through the second season. Please explain!

EDIT: Oh, apparently "pull a Lost" means "fail to resolve any mysteries / plots, and instead add a bazillion more mysteries / plots", which makes sense and is exactly why I stopped watching Lost. I guess Heroes is doing this to some extent: the introduction of " the eye of Sauron" ("when I see him, he sees me!"), Hiro III: Hiro in Time, Sylar not dying. On the other hand they DID tie up a lot of loose ends too: NY saved from the explosion, Niki and Jessica seeming to make a truce, the Company in shambles, Linderman dead. I feel like they're certainly not pulling a Lost to nearly the extent of Lost itself, and that they're just pulling a little more Lost than is necessary to provide a teaser for the second season and maintain interest over the summer break.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:35 pm        Reply with quote

luvcraft wrote:
Was Simone supposed to die, even though she appeared in Peter's "blowing up" flash forwards? Was any thought given to the fact that Peter ends up blowing up at night instead of in the middle of the day, as all his flash-forwards and Hiro's witnessing indicate?


remember when peter dreamed he could fly? he's accurate to a certain extent.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:50 pm        Reply with quote

The Drunken Samurai wrote:
luvcraft wrote:
Was Simone supposed to die, even though she appeared in Peter's "blowing up" flash forwards? Was any thought given to the fact that Peter ends up blowing up at night instead of in the middle of the day, as all his flash-forwards and Hiro's witnessing indicate?


remember when peter dreamed he could fly? he's accurate to a certain extent.


Yeah, but now Peter CAN fly. :)

I agree with Peter's dreams being allegorical, I just wonder HOW allegorical that one was originally supposed to be. Actually, come to think of it, Simone and Isaac were BOTH in it (or was that Ted holding Simone back in the dream? I can't remember).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:04 pm        Reply with quote

I just downloaded and watched the whole season, which I would have to say is probably better than watching it on TV. I think with the pacing of 1st season, i might have lost interest in the show during the hiatus. Either way, I have a few things to talk about.

This show really has pulled a lost. My main issue is that they have introduced potentially thousands of characters by focusing so hard on parents and children. I would have really preffered to deal with the few main characters and their parents and children later. By doing this, we now have too many charcters to choose from, and I have a feeling that the writers will use as many as they can, instead of developing 10 or so. Now, if Slyar is still alive this would mean he can effectively eliminate boring characters with no problem, he was the reason the show had a decent number of members.

Also, DL is the weakest character on the show it seems. Unfortunate, but I have a guess that when he punched linderman in the head he might have also became another version of Slyar. It's completely possible! He was walking around just fine near the end.

I honestly just hope this show has a 3-4 season run, that would be great!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:01 pm        Reply with quote

Ok, some interesting things that nobody brought up.

-Sylar melted himself
-It has never been suggested that Sylar has the power to un-melt things.
-Sylar has psychic powers
-Sylar is now a flesh blob with crazy psychic powers
-TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
-This is awesome.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:53 pm        Reply with quote

Ging wrote:
-Sylar melted himself


what gave you that idea?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:14 pm        Reply with quote

Ging wrote:
Ok, some interesting things that nobody brought up.

-Sylar melted himself
-It has never been suggested that Sylar has the power to un-melt things.
-Sylar has psychic powers
-Sylar is now a flesh blob with crazy psychic powers
-TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
-This is awesome.


Sylar had the ability to melt metals... we never saw anything to suggest that he could melt anything else. Counterpoint, we have no fucking clue just how many powers Sylar absorbed. We were shown a handful of his abilities, but he could have killed far more people than the show let on.

Also... given the bloodtrail, it appears that he was dragged into the sewer... most likely by the guy who can see the young girl when she uses her locator ability (or possibly another villain).


As for Peter, it appears that he can only use one ability at a time. This is never flatly stated during the show, but I don't recall him ever using more than one power at any given moment.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:43 pm        Reply with quote

kiken wrote:
Ging wrote:
Ok, some interesting things that nobody brought up.

-Sylar melted himself
-It has never been suggested that Sylar has the power to un-melt things.
-Sylar has psychic powers
-Sylar is now a flesh blob with crazy psychic powers
-TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
-This is awesome.


Sylar had the ability to melt metals... we never saw anything to suggest that he could melt anything else. Counterpoint, we have no fucking clue just how many powers Sylar absorbed. We were shown a handful of his abilities, but he could have killed far more people than the show let on.

Also... given the bloodtrail, it appears that he was dragged into the sewer... most likely by the guy who can see the young girl when she uses her locator ability (or possibly another villain).


As for Peter, it appears that he can only use one ability at a time. This is never flatly stated during the show, but I don't recall him ever using more than one power at any given moment.


I don't care. He melted himself. As long as I keep thinking this the show seems better to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:55 pm        Reply with quote

kiken wrote:
As for Peter, it appears that he can only use one ability at a time. This is never flatly stated during the show, but I don't recall him ever using more than one power at any given moment.


He used telekinesis to stop Claude attacking him whilst they were both invisible during his "training".

Peter being unable to fly in the finale is more than likely due to him concentrating entirely on not exploding.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:42 pm        Reply with quote

Maztorre wrote:
kiken wrote:
As for Peter, it appears that he can only use one ability at a time. This is never flatly stated during the show, but I don't recall him ever using more than one power at any given moment.


He used telekinesis to stop Claude attacking him whilst they were both invisible during his "training".

Peter being unable to fly in the finale is more than likely due to him concentrating entirely on not exploding.


Also, he used all kinds of good shit together in Five Years Gone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:34 pm        Reply with quote

The mid season spinoff frightens me :(
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:41 am        Reply with quote

Yeah, the midseason spinoff scares me a bit too. Why? Because as we all know, as with American Idol, America rarely votes based on talent/quality, so I dont expect the character "we" all choose to be the best one for the show. I like to leave that to the experts.

Either way, I think Sylar is dead for the most part. I doubt Linderman is also, I'm sure his security is better than what they let it out to be. He probably has a guy like the Haitian or something to keep him alive at all times. So, if Linderman isn't dead, Slyar is not either. He probably healed and revived him.

Also! I think the whole predicting the future thing is interesting, because i believe Issac made up how Hiro would kill Sylar to force the situation a bit! So I still believe that the exploding man scenario is not over with.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:49 am        Reply with quote

I agree with the lol episode theory.

I think this episode of heroes is meant to be taken with a f*ing big grain of salt. Everyone's pissed that Nathan had to sacrafice himself to save peter when he could have just pistol whipped him and blam, problem solved. But the thought of Nathan's sacrafice is very suiting. Yet the idea of the sacrafice is dulled by the fact that it was wholly unneccesary. Now be it that Nathan did toss Peter into the air and he flys away, then us, as the audience feels cheated into believing that Nathan was sacraficed and that's a no go as well.

All in all, Nathan should have just pistol whipped Peter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:08 pm        Reply with quote

After all that hype about that stupid goddamn show I actually thought it might be entertaining. It's something akin to Xfiles, meets Xmen, meets Terrance Stamp. People like it because it has a japanese person speaking Japanese with a sidekick. A samurai TJ Hooker of sorts, battling evil forces, jumping on the hoods of evil doers cars.

It all played out into nothing. It was midly entertaining. I bet this series won't last three seasons.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:08 pm        Reply with quote

Legal Step wrote:
It all played out into nothing.


I didn't realize this until just now.
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special blend wrote:
Legal Step wrote:
It all played out into nothing.


I didn't realize this until just now.


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