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| SB is... |
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| good on its good days. |
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| eh. |
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| a mere pale shadow of its former self. |
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| "pretentious elitist weeaboo faggots", to quote 4chan. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Yeah, you've done a pretty good job. Though the tone is still often shouty and dismissive, it's better than it was and it's better than the IC forums were for the last year or so.
I was going to say you need more word filters. I'll let you know if anything serious comes to mind. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:42 am |
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Following psiggity-schwa and others, and tying some stuff together: we definitely need more range of perspective around here. If there's one thing that irritates me, it's how "gamery" the place is in comparison to IC at its best. It's dour Internet porridge. Input a bold yet unthreatening statement and ouput five pages of back-and-forth derision, in which nobody is interested in examining the other perspective or, generally, thinking analytically about anything. The only way out is not to bother posting in the first place.
Putting some of the more interesting discussions or ideas front and center, to draw in a new audience, might go some way to address the situation. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:02 am |
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| Mister Toups wrote: |
| no one is stopping you, Mr. Waugh, from starting interesting discussion topics. |
I guess that's true. Other than my dark half! |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:22 am |
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I'm not sure if any porn is innately funny anymore. Damn you, Internet.
To note: I wasn't even talking about videogame discussion; just about a certain mindset that people get into when they can't put enough distance between themselves and the things that interest them to feel comfortable in questioning what it is that makes those things interesting.
We could be talking about guitars or French cinema. It'd be the same idea. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:54 pm |
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| Intentionally Wrong wrote: |
| I'm looking forward to it, slipstream. After reading dhex's report in the other thread, I've been eager to hear more about other peoples' perspective on this place. |
Yeah, I think everyone needs to read that as a basis for further discussion. The "pretentious" issue in particular is hilarious, when contextualized.
The schism between the initial draw of most people -- the intelligent, analytical discussion -- and the later, steadily rising derision of that same mode of discussion -- is interesting. The shift would also describe much of my frustration with that community. As far as Select Button goes, there's a certain enfranchised hostility toward that mode of conversation that reminds me of videogame discussion elsewhere on the Internet.
This strikes me as a boring, lazy, and generally churlish perspective to present even on an individual level. When it becomes part of the assumed code of a community, particularly when the community was originally formed around a perceived value for that now-devalued mode, it feels kind of like the onset of entropy.
It's easy to knock down; it's easy to dismiss; it's easy to strike out -- and all of these things hold a certain emotional weight that's hard to counter. When you've enough of it going on, the analogy in that report about a bunch of guys you don't like hanging out at your favorite bar comes into play. This isn't to take the analogy literally; the actual change of cast hasn't been too large. It's more that the least optimistic elements have taken over, lending to the impression of a giant rhino in the room. A rhino over which certain people feel a certain amount of propriety because, hey, it's their rhino. You dissing my rhino, huh?!
It's just... inane, the shift that occurred and is now reproduced here as a less volatile yet (as a result) more static matter of course. The changed level of discourse frankly makes the whole enterprise less interesting and less distinctive than it might be and has been. The lack of distinction is in particular a sore point, as I feel there are countless other places for the base interaction and attitude I often see; there's no need to create or host a new venue for any of it.
Of course there's no way to force engagement or interest. They can be persuaded, though. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:08 pm |
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That's an interesting idea: putting the weekly game thing front and center, as a draw for the site.
As for hot air: yeah, that was mostly a later phenomenon. A forced attempt to find something intelligent to talk about, whereas earlier it just kind of spontaneously happened. Now that you mention it, I think the flimsiness and frequency of those discussions might explain a part of the backlash.
SB does feel a lot more welcoming to in-depth discussion than it used to. I'm probably still reverberating with some of the earlier tension. For a while I wasn't sure if I would even make an account here. After I did, it took a few months for me to really post anything. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:07 am |
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| can anyone think of a snappy name for said forum? |
SBF: Match of the Millennium? |
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