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Focus



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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: achewood, scott kurtz discussion    Reply with quote

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TS-12181.mp3

Here, some people discuss achewood. I'm not sure who most of these people are, besides scott kurtz. i know as a community, most of us are into achewood, but this is a good point to bring up. in the podcast, they liken it to seinfeld, but only in the sense it "isn't about anything."

I just got to the point to where they talk about Cartilagehead arc. A man said, "The only people who would like that are art students."

Personally, this podcast. Is, well:

JAMES: and tell them I want to cut them open and piss into them all (the podcast guys).

Anyways, here is the link to the other PODCASTERS: http://www.digitalstrips.com/2007/03/livecast-ep02-achewood.html

I can't say much for the other strips.

Anyways, I'm still going at the podcast, so, I'll have more to add to the discussion later.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:05 pm        Reply with quote

I'm an art student, so perhaps he's right.
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Toups
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: achewood, scott kurtz discussion    Reply with quote

Focus wrote:
in the podcast, they liken it to seinfeld, but only in the sense it "isn't about anything."


Isn't this true of most (good) webcomics?
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:33 pm        Reply with quote

Also this podcast is fucking terrible.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:36 pm        Reply with quote

God you fucking moron philippe doesn't get possessed by billy joel he gets possessed by billy idol.
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Focus



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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: achewood, scott kurtz discussion    Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
Focus wrote:
in the podcast, they liken it to seinfeld, but only in the sense it "isn't about anything."


Isn't this true of most (good) webcomics?


Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, the only story driven webcomic I've followed is Wigu. That was a while ago. I suppose the "on the go because there is no solid, long plotline" quality of achewood is what makes it easy to read (for some). I can't find myself deeply engaged in most story based comics. I mean, hell, I'll still visit penny arcade. Sometimes something good will come out of it, and I'm more than willing to stick around for that.

It's just, I'm not going to click the previous strip button or go through the archives to get a better grip on things. I tried that with Diesel Sweeties a few weeks ago (why did I ever read that in the first place). Something about Pete being a teacher and hitting on younger girls. I don't know.


So. I like achewood for Onstad's ability to keep his jokes and stories brief.

And outrage at the podcast etc :(
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:27 pm        Reply with quote

All you have to do is read the strips made by the people on this podcast to realize that they're all talentless, braindead hacks who lack the ability to "get" all but the most blunt, obvious jokes, and their hatred for achewood stems from this lack of sensitivity.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:44 pm        Reply with quote

This reminds me of dhex IMing me a few weeks back with:

"How do horrible comics like PvP get so popular?"

There is no real answer to that guys.

Also, so if an art student likes it, it can't be good? Don't art students like Van Gogh? Is he now horrible and pretentious and we should all be buying Thomas Kinkade?

Mister Toups wrote:
All you have to do is read the strips made by the people on this podcast to realize that they're all talentless, braindead hacks who lack the ability to "get" all but the most blunt, obvious jokes, and their hatred for achewood stems from this lack of sensitivity.


This is harsh; still, the bit that led me to believe that this is a severe difference in taste was one of the podcasters talking in the comments about the first strip of Achewood and how Phillipe standing on the drum machine manual isn't funny whereas it would have been if it had been stuck in his ear or was using it for oragami paper.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:03 pm        Reply with quote

Vehicular Manslaughter wrote:
Mister Toups wrote:
All you have to do is read the strips made by the people on this podcast to realize that they're all talentless, braindead hacks who lack the ability to "get" all but the most blunt, obvious jokes, and their hatred for achewood stems from this lack of sensitivity.


This is harsh; still, the bit that led me to believe that this is a severe difference in taste was one of the podcasters talking in the comments about the first strip of Achewood and how Phillipe standing on the drum machine manual isn't funny whereas it would have been if it had been stuck in his ear or was using it for oragami paper.


Did you actually listen to the podcast?

It screams "I'm jealous of his success and talent".

Note that Scott Kurtz is the only one who writes a webcomic that I've ever heard of.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:14 pm        Reply with quote

Nah. I mean, I know these guys probably hate stuff like Dinosaur Comics as well and anytime the best of their strips has a running "gag" where if somebody reference something effiminate, a character "quips" 'Gaaaaaaayy...', well. Well. Should we be so surprised?
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haze
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:14 pm        Reply with quote

i like achewood but the fans annoy me sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:15 pm        Reply with quote

I pretty much religiously avoid any Achewood-related fan stuff for precisely this reason. It's handy to remember that for anything you like, that there are thousands of people you consider stupid who like it and for anything you hate, there's probably at least a couple people you would respect who like it.

Taste is not an agenda, etc. etc.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:14 am        Reply with quote

haze wrote:
i like achewood but the fans annoy me sometimes.
Not having a forum linked from the comic makes Achewood superior to the vast majority of webcomics.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:02 pm        Reply with quote

extrabastardformula wrote:
haze wrote:
i like achewood but the fans annoy me sometimes.
Not having a forum linked from the comic makes Achewood superior to the vast majority of webcomics.


It does now though! You just have to sign-up to read it!

Downloading this podcast now. I've pretty much read PvP for the past 3-5 years now, everyday. The past two years, I've found that Scott Kurtz has really really run out of steam on how to tell jokes. He's been grasping at straws to do something creative and funny. His laziness and frustration has come out in the work. He's now partnered with uh.. Kristopher Straub, who is like the funniest guy ever but has no idea how to properly tell a joke. I'm not sure he ever will be able too. And I don't think Kurtz is going to help him much.

What I'm saying is this podcast is downloading obnoxiously slow to Japan.

Also I turned a Japanese friend on to Achewood and he is an infinitely more fun to hang out with now when we talk in English.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:30 pm        Reply with quote

You know, the podcast didn't start off that bad. At least one of the guys was trying to actively figure out why he couldn't get into the comic.

But then Scott Kurtz comes on and refuses to listen to anyone who doesn't completely agree with him. What a self-impressed douche. That woman who joins in halfway through was just as obnoxious, but in a comical way.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:58 pm        Reply with quote

I'm really trying to understand all these "It is difficult to understand" comments.

!!

Scott Kurtz just came on! Who is Chris Ware? Achewood is really THAT hard to understand? What? Actually Onstad isn't saying anything about the site. THE SHIT KURTZ?? YOU JUST SAID IT WAS RANDOM, THEN SAID YOU DIDN'T SAY IT WAS RANDOM?

Wait this shit is hard to get?

Mister Toups wrote:

It screams "I'm jealous of his success and talent".
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:02 pm        Reply with quote

Chris Ware is a comic artist who has a different way of going about narratives. I think they're just comparing Onstad to Ware because of the "hipster uppity-ness" and what have you. Also, maybe for slight similarities in their layout, but I'm not so sure. Ware gets much more complex than simple panels.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:04 pm        Reply with quote

These guys find Achewood hard to read? Man, read a god damn Philosophy book. Choose one.

Holy Lord this woman they brought on is a moron.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:38 am        Reply with quote

The guy chairing the podcast is OK!

Kurtz: "You know we like you, right? You don't have to pretend to be cool."
guy: "Hahaha, fuck you!"
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:40 am        Reply with quote

extrabastardformula wrote:
haze wrote:
i like achewood but the fans annoy me sometimes.
Not having a forum linked from the comic makes Achewood superior to the vast majority of webcomics.


Sometimes every forum seems like an achewood forum.

I also hate the fans of achewood.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:57 am        Reply with quote



i've studied this cartoon in detail over the course of the past few days and i cannot penetrate its meaning. what does it mean? is it a cry for silence? an end to laughter? a yearning to see mirth laid bare as an unessential distraction from the tragedy of the human condition?

as a point of comparison.

as an added note it seems to me that to liken anything good about any human achievement - no matter how small - to seinfeld is to mimic the sound of the human soul being degraded past the point of measure.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:04 pm        Reply with quote

i like the way that they use words to mean things that the words they use do not mean.

can we officially remove the word 'random' from the english language? people use it so randomly!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:19 am        Reply with quote

I applaud you guys for not just google image searching "Scott Kurtz" (with quotes) and quoting Toups' post with the first image that popped up.

Where does the Cartilagehead arc start, by the way?


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:36 pm        Reply with quote

dhex wrote:


For the love of fuck, I managed to enter that hideous URL -- ctrlaltdel-online.com -- into my browser, thinking this was just some Penny-Arcade-alike written by loser-posers (people who pose as losers), and then I checked their forum, and . . .

Quote:
Threads: 51,533, Posts: 1,494,881, Members: 25,819, Active Members: 2,724


Wow.

I guess this webcomic doesn't suck, after all!

Maybe I should become a devoted fan of it.

Really on the fence ITT
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:59 pm        Reply with quote

No is going to find that joke funny Brendan.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:24 pm        Reply with quote

What the hell is Achewood?
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:37 pm        Reply with quote

I have had ctlaltdel bookmarked for a long time now and I still haven't clicked on it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:27 pm        Reply with quote

Lestrade wrote:
What the hell is Achewood?

About Achewood wrote:

"Achewood," like wormwood, was used by antebellum
slaves in the production of "achewater," a long-
since outmoded and outlawed Southern beverage.

Drinkers of achewater experienced hallucinations
and euphoria, but the after-effects of the liquor
produced a deep and lasting melancholy (hence its name).

Modern science has confirmed that achewood oil, the
active ingredient in achewater, is a powerful depressant
which causes irreversible neurological damage.

Achewater is generally thought to have inspired
many Southern folk songs and fables, such as "The
Story of Poor John Ritch," "Sullivan's Bear and
Dried Bird" and "I'm Following a Little Round Lord."
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:36 pm        Reply with quote

108 wrote:

Wow.

I guess this webcomic doesn't suck, after all!

Maybe I should become a devoted fan of it.

Really on the fence ITT
But what you don't know is that in the webcomic community, hating Ctrl+Alt+Del with an all-consuming passion is a cottage industry!
Link 1. Link 2. Link 3.

Also, one of my most favourite posts from Link 1.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:12 pm        Reply with quote

So guys is there any god damn webcomic about video games that at least tries for penny-arcade level humor?
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:27 pm        Reply with quote

that last one with korea turning into an erection is so subtle as to be impenetrable. i only just got the pants joke now.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:47 pm        Reply with quote

Well these guys sound like losers. The type who never even drank in college and organized LANs instead of going to parties. People who never tried anything.
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:19 am        Reply with quote

Rud13inJapan wrote:
So guys is there any god damn webcomic about video games that at least tries for penny-arcade level humor?

Uhhh... Press Start To Play... perhaps?
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:45 am        Reply with quote

L wrote:
Rud13inJapan wrote:
So guys is there any god damn webcomic about video games that at least tries for penny-arcade level humor?

Uhhh... Press Start To Play... perhaps?

The answer to that is no.
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:11 am        Reply with quote

I used to hate Achewood and didn't understand why it was funny. Then I started reading it from the beginning. I've gotten quite busy lately so I had to stop reading, but I really enjoyed what I read. I really don't understand what there is not to get, there. If you actually put in a little bit of effort, you get a lot more out of it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:48 am        Reply with quote

not that I've ever "followed" it (more like read a few strips when very bored) I kind of get this suspicion that Kurtz has the ability to make PVP pretty funny, if only he were more ballsy and willing to be offensive. instead it's like he's pandering so it looks more like an "authentic" comic strip. Penny Arcade is sometimes LOL sometimes GROAN, but PVP is just a steady average of "amused smile" and nothing more. feels mediocre.

those other Gaming strips linked: uh... about the same writing level as VGcats. without the good drawings.


i like the cactus character he so wacky
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