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CubaLibre
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Troops: if you think working behind a counter is going to be any better than school, it isn't. Once again you are the lowest rung on a long, long ladder, forced to scribble notes in an incomprehensible and useless format by an administrator that literally has no way to relate to you. In fact, schooling is nothing more than training for satisfaction in such cog-jobs. The difference (and it is a nice difference) is that they pay you, rather than the other way around.
Also, hate to break it to you, dude: it was the dog.
dongle: It's about passion! If I didn't work in a field rife with things that piss me off I'd never do anything.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:35 pm |
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| dongle wrote: |
| CubaLibre wrote: |
| dongle: It's about passion! If I didn't work in a field rife with things that piss me off I'd never do anything. |
Well, see, I have passion, but I spread it out between linux, school, archaeology, web/graphic design, games, music, etc. Jack of all trades with a tattered jacket; a mediocre renaissance man. I can't seem to be like some of my peers who, say, care about European history and that's it, that's all they do. I'm inefficient, sure, but if I focused my efficient moments in fewer areas I would be doing better than I am now... which I suppose isn't bad but my profs and bosses all seem to think I can do a lot better. Out of curiosity, in which field do you work? |
I daresay I'm more of a Renaissance man than anyone I've ever personally met. Hell, my alma mater is custom-made for it.
I work in law slash am going to law school. It's the judiciary that interests me, because my political mind is arbitrary and attracted most to the rule of law rather than partisan issues, and the modern Supreme Court infuriates me. I don't so much focus at the exclusion of other things - I still read works of, you know, metaphysics and subatomic particles and music and literature - as make sure those other things are part of an ordered whole that works toward my professional goals.
Intellectual disciplines aren't nearly as compartmentalized as academia would have you believe. Synthesis! Don't believe you have to abandon your interests for the sake of focus - on the contrary, abandoment of other interests would invariably hurt the object of your focus. Focus is about relative concentration and orientation; it's not a hard filter (anything not having to do with ancient Aztec pottery is not coming in!).
Besides, the most successful people I have ever met switched professions... multiple times. It's not as necessary to dedicate your life to a singular pursuit as people think it is, either. (Unfortunately, civil service is the one place this tends to be untrue... sucks for me.)
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:14 pm |
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| dongle wrote: |
| Fuck the ivy league; I should have gone to SJCA. You're right: I don't want a hard filter, but I also lack a relative concentration. Sigh. Well, aside from compsci, but I majored in the Classics in an attempt to get a well-rounded education. Back to school! |
They have a graduate program!
The weirdest thing about graduating from St. John's, actually, is how focused many people become. Most people, when they arrive, have absolutely no idea what they want to do - I was in this camp as well. And yet somehow the broadly interdisciplinary program brings their true desires into sharp relief, and many people come out resolved to a particular mission. And it's not always classics or literature or law; a surprising amount of physicians, mathematicians and scientists emerge from St. John's as well. (The math and lab tutorials are much, much bigger parts of the curriculum than the College's literature lets on. Friends of mine have remarked that a big part of the College's mission seems to be fooling "English people" into liking the sciences.)
Of course, many of them remain unfocused and work in liquor stores in Annapolis after they graduate, but hey, it's college.
Ratoslov: man.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:22 pm |
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| When did you graduate? |
Last May.
zak: In general, college is not what it's cracked up to be. Tends to be fairly useless for anyone who actually wants to live a life. Unfortunately, those little pieces of paper they give you at the end are pretty valuable, not least because colleges have a pretty vested interest in making sure they stay that way. Studying philosophy in a regular school would drive me fucking nuts, but your mileage may vary. I say go for it headfirst. If nothing else, your little piece of paper might enable you to get a job that doesn't require the subway and two busses for shitty pay. (Money doesn't matter much in this life, but it does matter.)
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:38 pm |
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| Did you know a Mr. Sloat? |
Nope. Would he be older or younger than me? (I'm guessing older.) Maybe he went to Santa Fe? I was an Annapolis dude.
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I was pretty close to going to St. John's. I chickened out, I suppose. Going to Hampshire now. |
Hey, I have a friend who wussed out of St. John's and went to Hampshire! Do you know a Tom O'Keefe? I guess he's graduated now, he was in my class. Big dude.
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| My refusal to go into debt has led in large part to my listless blue collar existence. |
There's good debt, and then there's bad debt.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:53 pm |
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| Mr Mustache wrote: |
| CubaLibre wrote: |
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| Did you know a Mr. Sloat? |
Nope. Would he be older or younger than me? (I'm guessing older.) Maybe he went to Santa Fe? I was an Annapolis dude. |
He was probably older...but definitely in Annapolis, which is incidentally a very strange town. St. Johns also seemed a bit odd; more conservative than I would have thought, and very white, even by liberal arts standards. Nice library though.
You know a Mr. Stani? |
St. John's doesn't give a dilly fuck about race. It is awesome.
It is also very conservative, in the traditional (read: nonpolitical) use of the word. Politically speaking it doesn't have much of a character at all, because unlike other colleges it is not a tool of the federal educational establishment. Anyway I'm just spouting pro-Johnnie jingoism, don't mind me.
I did not know a Mr. Stani. I didn't know anyone more than a grade above me, so that might be our disconnect right there.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:46 pm |
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This isn't meant as an insult to anybody, but I'm pretty surprised your parents don't just kick you out on the street. I mean, mine would. Mine did, basically. Soon's I graduated college, cut off. Period.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:46 am |
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Anyone who's being supported by their parents while in college... shouldn't feel ashamed, at all. I mean, that's the point.
It's after college - or if you didn't go at all - where the support starts being a little lame.
If you do have a degree, it is like sick easy to get a job. I mean it might not be in your Field of Choice or whatever but enough to live on your own (maybe with a roommate or two) and buy food and pay your bills and save a little on the side.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:57 am |
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It's not a bad thing to do. It's just like, not bad if you don't do it.
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