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rabite gets whacked!

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: SelectBook: the SB book club (now with poll) |
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As suggested by Capt. Caveman in the lit. thread, I think a selectbutton book club is long overdue, so let's start one immediately. I'd suggest something sci-fi (or Lolita), as those seem to sustain the most literary discussion around here. So who and what? Let's get nominations, then I'll turn it into a poll.
I'll nominate Gene Wolfe's The Shadow of the Torturer, cause shrugtheironteacup called Wolfe one of his favorite writers and I've never read him, so I picked it up yesterday (it's in the "Shadow & Claw" volume, along with the second novel in the Book of the New Sun tetralogy).
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:44 pm |
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That is an excellent suggestion rabite.
I'm not only saying this because I'm lazy and have a copy right there.
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:50 pm |
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shit I didn't think anyone would actually do this
now I am obligated to read a bunch of books
shit _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:56 pm |
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I would reread lolita, sure.
I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS. |
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rabite gets whacked!

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:59 pm |
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| Wilkes wrote: |
I would reread lolita, sure.
I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS. |
I was thinking the same, but I figured starting with sci fi would get the best response. And there's good sci fi too you goddamn wilkes. Look at Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, for instance! _________________
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:02 pm |
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| rabite gets whacked! wrote: |
| Wilkes wrote: |
I would reread lolita, sure.
I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS. |
I was thinking the same, but I figured starting with sci fi would get the best response. And there's good sci fi too you goddamn wilkes. Look at Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, for instance! |
I'm as open to the idea that good sci fi exists as I am that most sci fi is just made up crap social commentary. |
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rabite gets whacked!

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:06 pm |
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| Wilkes wrote: |
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| Wilkes wrote: |
I would reread lolita, sure.
I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS. |
I was thinking the same, but I figured starting with sci fi would get the best response. And there's good sci fi too you goddamn wilkes. Look at Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, for instance! |
I'm as open to the idea that good sci fi exists as I am that most sci fi is just made up crap social commentary. |
On this we agree! _________________
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zak
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:28 pm |
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I have allready read The Shadow of the Torturer; can't read it again right now because I gave the book back and my friend gave it to someone else, but I'm ready to discuss it when you guys are.
Lolita is ok too, I'll just have to find/buy a copy. |
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Broco

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:16 pm |
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| Good sci-fi usually avoids calling itself sci-fi. |
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Martial Loh

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:54 pm |
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| Gene Wolfe's The Wizard Knight annoyed me to no ends. I finished it for the sake of finishing it, but that ending.. ugh. Its definitely put me off reading anything else he's done. |
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boojiboy7 narcissistic irony-laden twat

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:56 pm |
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| I feel good sci-fi should take back the label. |
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Toptube Anti-cabbage Party Candidate
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:48 pm |
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good sci-fi nomination: "The Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula K.Le Guin
fantasy nomination: "The Revenants" by Sheri S. Tepper (out of print but pretty available on Amazon) |
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GalaxyHead

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:35 am |
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I've read both of those
Classic: Geothe's The Sorrows of Young Werther
Modern: David Egger's How We Are Hungry or Kenji Miyazawa's Night on the Milky Way Express. _________________ “We completely understand the public’s concern about futuristic robots feeding on the human population, but that is not our mission,” - Harry Schoell, Cyclone Power Technologies Inc, in response to erroneous reports about a robot under development. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:38 am |
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| scifi? let's read nova express :D |
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Predator Goose
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:42 am |
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Might I make a suggestion? It might get a little messy, but start up a separate poll thread for deciding which book to read. Then come back to this thread or another one to actually discuss it. _________________ I can no longer shop happily. |
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PianoMap

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:58 am |
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I nominate Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky because it's a book on my mind that I haven't read yet.
I'm fairly certain that it's not sci-fi as well. _________________ o-/< --- o-\< --- o-|-| --- o^-< |
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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:25 am |
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| nominating donald barthelme's the dead father |
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Mr. Apol king of zembla

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:25 am |
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| digi wrote: |
I nominate Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky because it's a book on my mind that I haven't read yet.
I'm fairly certain that it's not sci-fi as well. |
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:34 am |
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| digi wrote: |
I nominate Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky because it's a book on my mind that I haven't read yet.
I'm fairly certain that it's not sci-fi as well. |
I bought this book in the city two days ago for two dollars.
make it this book please I was going to read it tonight. |
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dark steve secretary of good times

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:01 am |
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:04 am |
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Wizard Knight is sort of, umm.. curious. It's like Wolfe light or something.
I think certain Wolfe could be quite productive for discussion because it rewards close reading and analysis!
Shadow of the Torturer might be sort of odd, though, what with it being only 1/4 of a story and ending on a cliffhanger.
I'll weakly nominate The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories", because collections of stories are sure to lead to poor and scattershot discussion. (?) _________________
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:05 am |
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But I just finished that like a month ago. :( _________________
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rabite gets whacked!

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:20 am |
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| Predator Goose wrote: |
| Might I make a suggestion? It might get a little messy, but start up a separate poll thread for deciding which book to read. Then come back to this thread or another one to actually discuss it. |
I was going to use this thread for deliberation, then start a new one for the each book that gets picked. So tomorrow night (Friday) I'll put up a poll here, inclusive of the nominations that have been seconded by then.
Nominations affirmed:
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (nom. by Wilkes)
Notes from the Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)
Nominations waiting to be seconded:
The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe (nom. by me)
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K.Le Guin (nom. by toptube)
The Revenants by Sheri S. Tepper (out of print, nom. by toptube)
The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
How We Are Hungry by David Eggers (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
Night on the Milky Way Express by Kenji Miyazwa (nom. by Machine Gun Heart).
Nova Express by William S. Burroughs (nom. by Joe)
Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)
The Dead Father by Donald Barthelme (nom. by Ethoscapade)
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| The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories", because collections of stories are sure to lead to poor and scattershot discussion. (?) |
Right. I'd say short stories are great, but let's just limit it to 3-5 stories from the collection to focus the discussion, and give it a shorter reading period. Sound good? So consider these nominated, and dark steve and shrug can pick out particular pieces to focus on in the mean time. _________________
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Baron Patsy whiny, oversensitive, socially awkward

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:40 am |
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| rabite gets whacked! wrote: |
| Predator Goose wrote: |
| Might I make a suggestion? It might get a little messy, but start up a separate poll thread for deciding which book to read. Then come back to this thread or another one to actually discuss it. |
I was going to use this thread for deliberation, then start a new one for the each book that gets picked. So tomorrow night (Friday) I'll put up a poll here, inclusive of the nominations that have been seconded by then.
Nominations affirmed:
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (nom. by Wilkes)
Notes from the Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)
Nominations waiting to be seconded:
The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe (nom. by me)
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K.Le Guin (nom. by toptube)
The Revenants by Sheri S. Tepper (out of print, nom. by toptube)
The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
How We Are Hungry by David Eggers (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
Night on the Milky Way Express by Kenji Miyazwa (nom. by Machine Gun Heart).
Nova Express by William S. Burroughs (nom. by Joe)
Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)
The Dead Father by Donald Barthelme (nom. by Ethoscapade)
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| The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories", because collections of stories are sure to lead to poor and scattershot discussion. (?) |
Right. I'd say short stories are great, but let's just limit it to 3-5 stories from the collection to focus the discussion, and give it a shorter reading period. Sound good? So consider these nominated, and dark steve and shrug can pick out particular pieces to focus on in the mean time. |
Seconding the Gene Wolfe.
I might actually participate in this! |
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rabite gets whacked!

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:09 am |
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Seconding the Gene Wolfe.
I might actually participate in this! |
Just to clarify: the short stories or the novel? _________________
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Adilegian Rogue Scholar

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:21 am |
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I second The Left Hand of Darkness. I read half of it several years ago, and I've been meaning to get back to it. This would be the perfect excuse. Plus it's the only book suggested that I don't have locked up in storage. =(
Also, LeGuin is exquisite. _________________
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Mr. Mechanical ontological terrorist

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:25 am |
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I'll do this if we pick Notes from the Underground since I've had it lying around for a while and haven't gotten around to reading it yet. It's pretty short, right, or do I have some sort of super abridged version?
I almost posted here earlier today to nominate Battlefield Earth, but I didn't since it wouldn't have been a serious nomination. I did read the entire thing in 8th grade once. Never again, though.
For the future, though, I (seriously) nominate George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia since I've had it for a while, read through the first part of it and haven't finished it yet. Also because we've all probably read 1984 by now and Homage to Catalonia is his "other" great work, I feel. _________________
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Tokyo Rude

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:48 am |
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| As with all things, it's better if one person takes charge and says WE ARE GOING TO READ THIS. Argue with yourselves about who becomes head, and then you can start getting places. |
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Capt. Caveman

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:47 pm |
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| I would totally be up for some Lolita or Notes From the Underground, neither of which I have yet read. Rabite mentioned Childhood's End upthread and I've got a copy of that sitting around untouched. Nobody nominated it though, so I guess I'll do it. Now I just need to find a non-shitty library a convenient distance from my house. |
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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:02 pm |
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| lolita is really fabulous and any of you who haven't read it really ought to right away; after having read crime and punishment, i'm not sure i'm up for any more dostoevsky. |
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:01 pm |
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ok so Lolita?
Yes, Lolita. |
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Martial Loh

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:04 pm |
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| shrugtheironteacup wrote: |
Wizard Knight is sort of, umm.. curious. It's like Wolfe light or something.
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Not to derail this thread into a Wolfe analysis, but how is the best(your favourite) of his work different to Wizard Knight?
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I'll look into finding a cheap copy of Lolita if thats the chosen book..
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winkerwatson badmin

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:25 pm |
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| Wilkes wrote: |
ok so Lolita?
Yes, Lolita. |
Don't tell us what to do Colin _________________ tim? |
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:32 pm |
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| Martial Loh wrote: |
| shrugtheironteacup wrote: |
Wizard Knight is sort of, umm.. curious. It's like Wolfe light or something.
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Not to derail this thread into a Wolfe analysis, but how is the best(your favourite) of his work different to Wizard Knight? |
Well for one the narrator is a bit boring?
It's hard to say, and I'm about to leave for an interview so I don't have time to think particularly hard. I didn't mind the Wizard Knight, collectively, in large part because it took such an incredibly lame and cliche concept and somehow made it passable (to me). I respect that, you know? The only parts that stuck out to me as particularly awkward were arthur's occasional references to things in the modern world.
That said I had to check the book again to make certain of the ending. It didn't really stay with me.
One of the things I really like about Wolfe is that he often has a very strong sense of where his narration and their information is coming from. The best example of this is probably The Book of the New Sun, where Severian repeatedly claims to have a perfect memory, but occasionaly contradicts himself. (uh.. SPOILERS sort of?) Eventually you come to learn that he's sort of.. more than one person, at least on of which might have its own agenda (and whose voice he occasionaly lapses into). He quite obviously lies on more than one occasion. Severian is a great, deeply flawed anti-hero. In comparison the narrator of Wizard Knight seems sort of like a frame that Wolfe hung some ideas about knighthood on. He's flawed because he's childish, but he's coming from a place of honest ideals and moreover he's honest himself.
Also in Wizard Knight you have a narrator with a reason to explain things quite a bit, when he bothes. In The Book of the New Sun there's a strong sense of "this guy is writing for the world he lives in" so.. less hand-holding.
Wizard Knight is like "Gene Wolfe writes a YA novel", I guess.
There Are Doors is, if I recall correctly, third-person, but still from the point of view of a man of rather limited mental faculties. It does a great job of presenting someone's completely irrational thought process in a way that's internally consistent. This is another good example of the things I'm trying to touch at in a very rushed, scattershot way. I'm sure I'm failing miserably.
(It's also one of the few books about romantic love from a distinctly male point of view I've ever read.)
I'll come back to this post later and think about how much better it could have been!
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:42 pm |
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ok so Lolita?
Yes, Lolita. |
ok Colin |
thanks for your support |
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winkerwatson badmin

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:52 pm |
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no problem colin _________________ tim? |
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winkerwatson badmin

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:53 pm |
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hold up _________________ tim? |
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rabite gets whacked!

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:06 pm |
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Poll's up, go vote. _________________
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:49 pm |
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| I didn't vote for lolita lol |
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Gironika

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hm. I see there is a complete lack of Alessandro Baricco.
Oceano Mare and City are two books that everyone should have read. Makes you a better man/woman.
Read to find out why! Shatzy Shell is such a classy character.... _________________
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Mr Mustache Mean Mr. Mustache

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:36 pm |
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I am reading The Castle. You guys should start now. _________________ The people are like wool to me |
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