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The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin
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The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe
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Lolita by Nabokov
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Notes from the Underground by Dostoevsky
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: SelectBook: the SB book club (now with poll)    Reply with quote

As suggested by Capt. Caveman in the lit. thread, I think a selectbutton book club is long overdue, so let's start one immediately. I'd suggest something sci-fi (or Lolita), as those seem to sustain the most literary discussion around here. So who and what? Let's get nominations, then I'll turn it into a poll.

I'll nominate Gene Wolfe's The Shadow of the Torturer, cause shrugtheironteacup called Wolfe one of his favorite writers and I've never read him, so I picked it up yesterday (it's in the "Shadow & Claw" volume, along with the second novel in the Book of the New Sun tetralogy).

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:44 pm        Reply with quote

That is an excellent suggestion rabite.

I'm not only saying this because I'm lazy and have a copy right there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:50 pm        Reply with quote

shit I didn't think anyone would actually do this

now I am obligated to read a bunch of books

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:56 pm        Reply with quote

I would reread lolita, sure.

I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:59 pm        Reply with quote

Wilkes wrote:
I would reread lolita, sure.

I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS.


I was thinking the same, but I figured starting with sci fi would get the best response. And there's good sci fi too you goddamn wilkes. Look at Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, for instance!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:02 pm        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
Wilkes wrote:
I would reread lolita, sure.

I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS.


I was thinking the same, but I figured starting with sci fi would get the best response. And there's good sci fi too you goddamn wilkes. Look at Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, for instance!

I'm as open to the idea that good sci fi exists as I am that most sci fi is just made up crap social commentary.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:06 pm        Reply with quote

Wilkes wrote:
rabite gets whacked! wrote:
Wilkes wrote:
I would reread lolita, sure.

I might do this, provided we kept the sci fi to a BARE MINIMUM YOU GODDAMN KIDS.


I was thinking the same, but I figured starting with sci fi would get the best response. And there's good sci fi too you goddamn wilkes. Look at Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, for instance!

I'm as open to the idea that good sci fi exists as I am that most sci fi is just made up crap social commentary.

On this we agree!
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I have allready read The Shadow of the Torturer; can't read it again right now because I gave the book back and my friend gave it to someone else, but I'm ready to discuss it when you guys are.

Lolita is ok too, I'll just have to find/buy a copy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:16 pm        Reply with quote

Good sci-fi usually avoids calling itself sci-fi.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:54 pm        Reply with quote

Gene Wolfe's The Wizard Knight annoyed me to no ends. I finished it for the sake of finishing it, but that ending.. ugh. Its definitely put me off reading anything else he's done.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:56 pm        Reply with quote

I feel good sci-fi should take back the label.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:48 pm        Reply with quote

good sci-fi nomination: "The Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula K.Le Guin

fantasy nomination: "The Revenants" by Sheri S. Tepper (out of print but pretty available on Amazon)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:35 am        Reply with quote

I've read both of those

Classic: Geothe's The Sorrows of Young Werther

Modern: David Egger's How We Are Hungry or Kenji Miyazawa's Night on the Milky Way Express.
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scifi? let's read nova express :D
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:42 am        Reply with quote

Might I make a suggestion? It might get a little messy, but start up a separate poll thread for deciding which book to read. Then come back to this thread or another one to actually discuss it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:58 am        Reply with quote

I nominate Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky because it's a book on my mind that I haven't read yet.

I'm fairly certain that it's not sci-fi as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:25 am        Reply with quote

nominating donald barthelme's the dead father
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:25 am        Reply with quote

digi wrote:
I nominate Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky because it's a book on my mind that I haven't read yet.

I'm fairly certain that it's not sci-fi as well.

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digi wrote:
I nominate Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky because it's a book on my mind that I haven't read yet.

I'm fairly certain that it's not sci-fi as well.

I bought this book in the city two days ago for two dollars.

make it this book please I was going to read it tonight.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:04 am        Reply with quote

Wizard Knight is sort of, umm.. curious. It's like Wolfe light or something.

I think certain Wolfe could be quite productive for discussion because it rewards close reading and analysis!

Shadow of the Torturer might be sort of odd, though, what with it being only 1/4 of a story and ending on a cliffhanger.

I'll weakly nominate The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories", because collections of stories are sure to lead to poor and scattershot discussion. (?)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:05 am        Reply with quote

dark steve wrote:


But I just finished that like a month ago. :(
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Predator Goose wrote:
Might I make a suggestion? It might get a little messy, but start up a separate poll thread for deciding which book to read. Then come back to this thread or another one to actually discuss it.


I was going to use this thread for deliberation, then start a new one for the each book that gets picked. So tomorrow night (Friday) I'll put up a poll here, inclusive of the nominations that have been seconded by then.

Nominations affirmed:
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (nom. by Wilkes)
Notes from the Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)

Nominations waiting to be seconded:
The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe (nom. by me)
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K.Le Guin (nom. by toptube)
The Revenants by Sheri S. Tepper (out of print, nom. by toptube)
The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
How We Are Hungry by David Eggers (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
Night on the Milky Way Express by Kenji Miyazwa (nom. by Machine Gun Heart).
Nova Express by William S. Burroughs (nom. by Joe)
Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)
The Dead Father by Donald Barthelme (nom. by Ethoscapade)


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shrugtheironteacup wrote:
The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories", because collections of stories are sure to lead to poor and scattershot discussion. (?)


Right. I'd say short stories are great, but let's just limit it to 3-5 stories from the collection to focus the discussion, and give it a shorter reading period. Sound good? So consider these nominated, and dark steve and shrug can pick out particular pieces to focus on in the mean time.
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rabite gets whacked! wrote:
Predator Goose wrote:
Might I make a suggestion? It might get a little messy, but start up a separate poll thread for deciding which book to read. Then come back to this thread or another one to actually discuss it.


I was going to use this thread for deliberation, then start a new one for the each book that gets picked. So tomorrow night (Friday) I'll put up a poll here, inclusive of the nominations that have been seconded by then.

Nominations affirmed:
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (nom. by Wilkes)
Notes from the Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)

Nominations waiting to be seconded:
The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe (nom. by me)
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K.Le Guin (nom. by toptube)
The Revenants by Sheri S. Tepper (out of print, nom. by toptube)
The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
How We Are Hungry by David Eggers (nom. by Machine Gun Heart)
Night on the Milky Way Express by Kenji Miyazwa (nom. by Machine Gun Heart).
Nova Express by William S. Burroughs (nom. by Joe)
Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky (nom. by digi)
The Dead Father by Donald Barthelme (nom. by Ethoscapade)


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shrugtheironteacup wrote:
The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories", because collections of stories are sure to lead to poor and scattershot discussion. (?)


Right. I'd say short stories are great, but let's just limit it to 3-5 stories from the collection to focus the discussion, and give it a shorter reading period. Sound good? So consider these nominated, and dark steve and shrug can pick out particular pieces to focus on in the mean time.


Seconding the Gene Wolfe.

I might actually participate in this!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:09 am        Reply with quote

Baron Patsy wrote:
Seconding the Gene Wolfe.

I might actually participate in this!


Just to clarify: the short stories or the novel?
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I second The Left Hand of Darkness. I read half of it several years ago, and I've been meaning to get back to it. This would be the perfect excuse. Plus it's the only book suggested that I don't have locked up in storage. =(

Also, LeGuin is exquisite.
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I'll do this if we pick Notes from the Underground since I've had it lying around for a while and haven't gotten around to reading it yet. It's pretty short, right, or do I have some sort of super abridged version?

I almost posted here earlier today to nominate Battlefield Earth, but I didn't since it wouldn't have been a serious nomination. I did read the entire thing in 8th grade once. Never again, though.

For the future, though, I (seriously) nominate George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia since I've had it for a while, read through the first part of it and haven't finished it yet. Also because we've all probably read 1984 by now and Homage to Catalonia is his "other" great work, I feel.
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As with all things, it's better if one person takes charge and says WE ARE GOING TO READ THIS. Argue with yourselves about who becomes head, and then you can start getting places.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:47 pm        Reply with quote

I would totally be up for some Lolita or Notes From the Underground, neither of which I have yet read. Rabite mentioned Childhood's End upthread and I've got a copy of that sitting around untouched. Nobody nominated it though, so I guess I'll do it. Now I just need to find a non-shitty library a convenient distance from my house.
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lolita is really fabulous and any of you who haven't read it really ought to right away; after having read crime and punishment, i'm not sure i'm up for any more dostoevsky.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:01 pm        Reply with quote

ok so Lolita?

Yes, Lolita.
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shrugtheironteacup wrote:
Wizard Knight is sort of, umm.. curious. It's like Wolfe light or something.


Not to derail this thread into a Wolfe analysis, but how is the best(your favourite) of his work different to Wizard Knight?

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Wilkes wrote:
ok so Lolita?

Yes, Lolita.
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Martial Loh wrote:
shrugtheironteacup wrote:
Wizard Knight is sort of, umm.. curious. It's like Wolfe light or something.


Not to derail this thread into a Wolfe analysis, but how is the best(your favourite) of his work different to Wizard Knight?


Well for one the narrator is a bit boring?

It's hard to say, and I'm about to leave for an interview so I don't have time to think particularly hard. I didn't mind the Wizard Knight, collectively, in large part because it took such an incredibly lame and cliche concept and somehow made it passable (to me). I respect that, you know? The only parts that stuck out to me as particularly awkward were arthur's occasional references to things in the modern world.

That said I had to check the book again to make certain of the ending. It didn't really stay with me.

One of the things I really like about Wolfe is that he often has a very strong sense of where his narration and their information is coming from. The best example of this is probably The Book of the New Sun, where Severian repeatedly claims to have a perfect memory, but occasionaly contradicts himself. (uh.. SPOILERS sort of?) Eventually you come to learn that he's sort of.. more than one person, at least on of which might have its own agenda (and whose voice he occasionaly lapses into). He quite obviously lies on more than one occasion. Severian is a great, deeply flawed anti-hero. In comparison the narrator of Wizard Knight seems sort of like a frame that Wolfe hung some ideas about knighthood on. He's flawed because he's childish, but he's coming from a place of honest ideals and moreover he's honest himself.

Also in Wizard Knight you have a narrator with a reason to explain things quite a bit, when he bothes. In The Book of the New Sun there's a strong sense of "this guy is writing for the world he lives in" so.. less hand-holding.

Wizard Knight is like "Gene Wolfe writes a YA novel", I guess.

There Are Doors is, if I recall correctly, third-person, but still from the point of view of a man of rather limited mental faculties. It does a great job of presenting someone's completely irrational thought process in a way that's internally consistent. This is another good example of the things I'm trying to touch at in a very rushed, scattershot way. I'm sure I'm failing miserably.

(It's also one of the few books about romantic love from a distinctly male point of view I've ever read.)

I'll come back to this post later and think about how much better it could have been!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:42 pm        Reply with quote

winkerwinker wrote:
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ok so Lolita?

Yes, Lolita.
ok Colin

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:06 pm        Reply with quote

Poll's up, go vote.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:49 pm        Reply with quote

I didn't vote for lolita lol
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hm. I see there is a complete lack of Alessandro Baricco.
Oceano Mare and City are two books that everyone should have read. Makes you a better man/woman.

Read to find out why! Shatzy Shell is such a classy character....
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I am reading The Castle. You guys should start now.
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