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psiga
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:04 am        Reply with quote

SplashBeats wrote:
gungrave is a fantastic, amazingly mature story that spawned out of the most unlikely source material.

I was gonna say, I'd never known Gungrave to be actually serious. That's interesting to know. Does it take long to get the ball rolling? How many episodes before I'd know if it's worth jumping into?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:08 am        Reply with quote

The second episode kicks off the story revolving around Grave and Harry's past. The series remains a steady awesome until around episode 19 or so, when it becomes an odd mish mash of sci-fi and mafia drama that focus more on the game itself. These episodes are still enjoyable (especially the ones with Bear and Bunji), but they seem a bit odd.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:22 am        Reply with quote

trickless wrote:
I remember going emo over a scene in RahXephon:

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Then i ate some rocks to restore my manliness.

I couldn't watch RahXephon after that. I hadn't really been understanding the plot or characters up until then--not only was I confused, but I wasn't sure if the characters were confused as well, which was far more alienating. This was fine and kind of idly amusing until that scene. Then I felt like I HAD to know what was happening, because it was too disturbing (and artistically interesting, too). I couldn't just go on enjoying my detachment. So I looked up the plot on Wikipedia, and it seemed kind of lame and contrived, so I didn't watch anymore.

Great scene, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:24 am        Reply with quote

psiga wrote:
SplashBeats wrote:
gungrave is a fantastic, amazingly mature story that spawned out of the most unlikely source material.

I was gonna say, I'd never known Gungrave to be actually serious. That's interesting to know. Does it take long to get the ball rolling? How many episodes before I'd know if it's worth jumping into?


yeah, listen to machineXGUNXheart.

just skip the first episode and get to watching.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:48 am        Reply with quote

yeah. it's wonderful gangster drama.
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psiga
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:21 am        Reply with quote

The most I'd known about it up to now was that it's an anime based on a game (KICK THEIR ASS!!) based on character designs by Yasuhiro Nightow.

rf wrote:
I couldn't watch RahXephon after that. I hadn't really been understanding the plot or characters up until then--not only was I confused, but I wasn't sure if the characters were confused as well, which was far more alienating.

There's a movie of RahXephon, which is basically a remix of the series to make more sense. Remove unnecessary scenes, add necessary scenes, change some lines to bring balance to the plot. It still feels rushed, but it just makes a hell of a lot more sense to me. If you're willing to give it a shot, the movie is nice.

Something that I was told about RahXeph: Around half way through the series they were notified that they were not going to be granted the second season that they wanted, and thus had to cram the remaining season and a half into only half a season.

Oops.

So yeah, I wanted to be moved by that scene, but it felt overcompressed and too tenuously established. And I understand that some people can look past that! That's great. I just wasn't able to suspend the disbelief.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:01 am        Reply with quote

just watch brave reideen (the old one) instead of rahxephon
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:23 am        Reply with quote

my take: gungrave could have been wholly amazing if it had slashed the full blown animu transformation halfway in - the transformation that just became kind of terribly ridiculous, what with helicopter bobu poundumaxu and so on.

but then i guess you couldn't really do that, yeah, since, you know, the show couldn't just ignore what birthed it.

i think gungrave's soundtrack was more of the anime i wanted than gungrave itself. if that makes any sense.

still: yeah, really enjoyed the non-super-zombie arc of the story. had a fantastic weight and atmosphere to it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:52 am        Reply with quote

internisus wrote:
However, and I confess this now, my most common self-reflection re-energizing funny girlish anime is Azumanga Daioh.


Whenever I watch or read Azumanga Daioh, my life pretty much brightens and I'm generally much happier for it overall, at least for a few weeks.

I don't know why! (It is my favorite manga/anime ever, on that note.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:56 pm        Reply with quote

Oh god I FUCKING LOVED HAIBANE RENMEI. Seriously. I think I cried. Ok I have to get back to drinking and drawing bye.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:38 pm        Reply with quote

diplo wrote:
my take: gungrave could have been wholly amazing if it had slashed the full blown animu transformation halfway in - the transformation that just became kind of terribly ridiculous, what with helicopter bobu poundumaxu and so on.

but then i guess you couldn't really do that, yeah, since, you know, the show couldn't just ignore what birthed it.

i think gungrave's soundtrack was more of the anime i wanted than gungrave itself. if that makes any sense.

still: yeah, really enjoyed the non-super-zombie arc of the story. had a fantastic weight and atmosphere to it.


in it's defense it tries to get rid of all the game stuff as quickly as possible.

ALSO the fight with bunji is the total and ultimate shit ever in the game AND the anime
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:31 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah the fight with Bunji is my favorite singular scene in the whole show. I loved that they tried really hard not to fuck it up by making him all grotesque or carnival-like.

Yeah after Brandon's revenge is more or less complete the show gets pretty great again in the finale.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:32 pm        Reply with quote

but it wasn't revenge

that's the most beautiful part about gungrave!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:45 am        Reply with quote

Mr. Apol wrote:
but it wasn't revenge

that's the most beautiful part about gungrave!


I'm sorry I know but I was in a hurry and didn't feel like explaining it all :s

I mean I "get it" but what exactly should we call his endeavor? Duty? Tough love?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:18 am        Reply with quote

glitch wrote:
psiga wrote:
I am so listening to the ending theme from Paprika after this Sarah McLachlan remix ends.


Byakkoya no musume? gawd i love that song. ^_^
i bet you've been here already, if you didn't get them elsewhere, but, yeah...

Just want to say thank you for that link -- I hadn't looked into Hirasawa's work aside from his Paprika stuff, and some of those tracks are extremely cool. Ear candy ++.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:15 pm        Reply with quote

psiga wrote:
Just want to say thank you for that link -- I hadn't looked into Hirasawa's work aside from his Paprika stuff, and some of those tracks are extremely cool. Ear candy ++.

Truly a most innovative musician!

some thing you might want to listen to, from his early years onwards to 2007:

1980 - P-Model on some NHK-show.
1992 - Speedtube and them being girls-idols ... kind of.
1992 as well, going crazy and doing a schraddel-guitar-solo,
worth a watch!
1994 - Aurora, kicking off a more mature and relaxed style.
1995 - a bit more thai-inspired music
1997 - Ashura Clock with P-Model
1997 - Berserk-Ed, take a look at the ost too since he did great with that one.

The DC-Game Berserk - Sword of Guts rage (or something like that) featured some tracks from him as well, especially the masterpiece
Forces II, don't get distracted by the PS2-game coverage, he only did the op/ed there.

1998 i think, new/evolved style again

2000+:
His energy-works, featuring a freaky live-performance of Forces 1.5

2003:
a track of his live show performance

2005 - op for a NHK-show

be sure to listen to his anime-related things (berserk, paranoia agent, millennium actress, paprika, detonator orogun) as well as him supporting other musicians, unfortunately there aren't that much vids around ... like his works for shun or the globe trotters.

Anyway, watch more if you want to and drop by with impressions!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:35 pm        Reply with quote

<3

Digging in now...

Speed Tube is awesome so far. Dig the keyboardist with his crazy vertical arrangements.

OH SHIT. This is the guy who did FORCES. That makes so much sense, in retrospect.

Ashura Clock, I like a lot.

賢者のプロペラ, very neat. I can hear the proto-style that led to his Paprika work.

The solo kinked-up live version of Forces is slick as heck.

The live 'love song' with a hundred disembodied heads of himself floating around... That is art.

The NHK show OP has one really great idea that gets played to death and surrounded by junk. :(

Neat. Bipedal robot with his face on it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7CAbpkpbg

This guy is more interesting than I thought.

Thank you for the links!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:05 pm        Reply with quote

One I recently watched that's definitely girly, is probably Paradise Kiss or Nana. Paradise Kiss is kind of a weird fashion show with story segments in-between, and Nana is a typical melodrama. It's typical, but it's pretty good for what it is. It's not quite so pretentious about the fact that it is a melodrama though, and the music's pretty good.

As for more serious stuff that's less fluffy, try When They Cry. Really cool, good stuff. I can't say more than that because I haven't seen the whole series, but for the first five episodes, it's a fucking awesome roller coaster ride.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:24 pm        Reply with quote

With a name like 'When They Cry', I'm going to have to see what the deal is.

(Back on Hirasawa topic: There is a discography torrent conveniently about the size of a whole DVDR. Will have to dip into that when my burner's working again.)
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Apparently When They Cry is the American name of the anime for the Japanese h-game Higurashi no naku koro ni.

So, yeah, I'm downloading Higurashi now. I hope the rest of the episodes are as good as the first five.

Also, in a similar line, watch Murder Princess.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:26 pm        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
Apparently When They Cry is the American name of the anime for the Japanese h-game Higurashi no naku koro ni.


It's not a H-game, just a visual novel.

And the original visual novel's art style is kind of ehh.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:35 pm        Reply with quote

>O<
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:59 am        Reply with quote




SPOILERS
it's that way in the games, but the anime is quite different. in the anime, it's not that he's seeking revenge for harry killing him, it's that he's trying to protect harry and maria like he's done his entire life. they are the only two things that matter to him at all. the way i gather it, he sees that by destroying the syndicate that harry has created, one that's out of balance since harry's taken over, he is protecting harry from his eventual downfall. it's sort of weird. i think he's trying to protect harry's soul from becoming evil, sort of. like digi said, it's a tough love kind of thing. jesus christ just watch the anime already. i told you nadesico was good and it was, believe me when i say gungrave is my second favorite anime of all time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:00 am        Reply with quote

god i want to watch the final episode RIGHT NOW AGAIN
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:45 am        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
Apparently When They Cry is the American name of the anime for the Japanese h-game Higurashi no naku koro ni.

So, yeah, I'm downloading Higurashi now. I hope the rest of the episodes are as good as the first five.

OH. Higurashi. When the Cicadas Cry, or whatever the translation is.

Man that show has guts being torn out. I don't see the girlish aspect of psychotic moe girls. (Though I do see how the show shakes things up with its cyclical nature.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:15 am        Reply with quote

Mr. Apol wrote:
god i want to watch the final episode RIGHT NOW AGAIN


fuck yes those last scenes in the restaurant are among the first things that just keep replaying in my head whenever i think about gungrave
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:33 am        Reply with quote

nobody has mentioned piano yet? it's ... very girly and if it wasn't for fujishima being involved, i wouldn't know anything about it, but there you go.
[edit] should mention that nothing happens at all. watch the daily life of a 14(?) year old (not to sure about that age) girl.

as for the hirasawa/P-MODEL-torrent, it's .... uh, worth it. If you did like his vids (like you did), you want to have that as well. Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:29 am        Reply with quote

My laptop's burner is out of commission, and I've only got about 4.6GB left on the hard drive at the moment. Will definitely get the whole torrent on disc when that little issue's resolved. There's something about some of his tracks that I'll just get randomly infatuated with for a while, and listen to on loop long enough to forget how long I'd been listening to the same thing. When I finally stop listening, it's just because I'm done listening to music, not so much because I'm tired of the track.

Can't say that about a lot of musicians.

...It's more trance-like than most of Trance music itself. Wild.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:46 pm        Reply with quote

Well, I watched more of When They Cry... and I found myself bored. Re-telling a story from multiple "perspectives" if you will, is something best left to the professionals, i.e. Rashomon.

As for Gungrave, watch it. It's certainly one of my favorite animes, even though I watched it a long time ago. I only remember some of the angelic references, but they hearken back to Cowboy Bebop and create a sense of awe-inspiring hatred, in a manner similar to the death of Julia (they are not the same in many ways, but the feeling is similar).

Edit: I also watched more of Murder Princess. It's cute. Campy, but cute. While When They Cry may have a more technically compelling storyline, I found myself bored to tears with it, to the point that I couldn't continue watching it.

When They Cry reminds me a lot of Le Chevalier D'eon in terms of pacing, the difference being that D'eon has a story that actually progresses, and good action sequences. When They Cry has neither, just LOTS of brooding characters. Ah. Now I know what it reminds me of, and why I hate it so much. It reminds me of Ju-On (The Grudge). If you like the Grudge, you'll probably like When They Cry. If not, you should really skip it. It's a basically a much longer remake.
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