chris benoit is dead

Predator Goose · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Location: Oversensitive Pedantic Ninny

A guy was a wrestler. He strangled his wife, smothered his son, and then hung himself. That's all we know. Debating whether or not he is evil is ridiculous at this point. Maybe the guy was just suffering a case of severe demensia and didn't even realize what he was doing. Maybe someone forced him to do it. Maybe the roid rage took hold, he killed his wife, took some more roids to comfort himself, and then killed his son and himself in the resulting roid rage. Maybe his wife killed the son and then herself and he tried desparately to cover it up. (Police have been wrong about things before)

There's probably at least a dozen more possibilities for the events, ranging from the pure evil to the saintly. At least wait until more details are released by the authorities. to discuss the morality of what happened.

Edit: I think that tribute I was talking about was me getting my wires crossed with crappy wrestling fiction.
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scratchmonkey · Final Finasty Joined: 21 Mar 2007

I think one of the more disturbing aspects, which has only recently come to light, is that his 7-year-old son had needle marks in his arms and apparently the speculation is that he was being shot up with Human Growth Hormone (HGH) as he was considered small for his age.

As for the "nobody had anything bad to say about him" thing, his wife had filed for divorce citing violent rages back in 2003. So there's some sort of history there.

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his son was a monster

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Gin · banned Joined: 05 Dec 2006

Hey guys maybe his wife and kid were assholes who ate kittens for breakfast. Did you ever think of that?

I bet you didn't. Didn't even care about the kittens at all.

boojiboy7 · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:39 pm

Gin · banned Joined: 05 Dec 2006

Can we please stop using the word evil and referencing Hitler and such before we get into that whole shitty debate starts up?

boojiboy7 · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:57 pm

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tacotaskforce · Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: Logical, Practical

You're all Hitlers.

No.

You're all Super Hitlers.
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haze · la belle poney sans merci Joined: 04 Dec 2006

you're a fucking nazi if you won't let us talk about Hitler!

parkbench · Joined: 12 Dec 2006

By saying that one situation is clearly evil ("simple") and another is diffused evil ("layered"), I thought I was naturally implying that one was clearly more easy to judge than the other--one was clearly, more resolutely 'evil.'
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You know, seeing as how he tied his wife down by her wrists and legs before strangling her, waited a bit, killed his son in his sleep (hopefully), was injecting the 7 year old kid with presumably growth hormone because he wasn't big enough (which was the main criticism of Benoit throughout his career), had a restraining order brought aginst him by his eventual victim a few years earlier, whom he started dating while she was married to another man, on top of all the steroid/pill abuse and being a wrestler on top of all that...

This does not look like it was an out of the blue occurence (I was gonna say isolated, but yeah), it just looks like he was simply a terrible human being who did something terrible. I stand by my thought that if there is a hell, very few people out there deserve to burn there more than him. In a world of grays, this is about as close to outright black as you are going to get short of your Hitler's and whatnot.

I guess one could argue that anyone who kills is somewhat disturbed and deserving of our passion. I disagree.
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a couple black power activists were killed in cold in blood by the fbi during the COINTELPRO days. That was a long time ago, but, for the record and all that.

also this thread is hilarious
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What the fuck is this thread?

boojiboy7 · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:55 am

I love you guys.

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sorry for trying to bring some comic relief through phonological silliness :( i have wronged you slipstream
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Haven't we all, you know, gotten Beyond Good & Evil?
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extrabastardformula · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:01 pm

Give me your skype screen name TOLL.
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boojiboy7 · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:37 pm

lol internet 2.0 yay

haze · la belle poney sans merci Joined: 04 Dec 2006

i haven't killed any of my wives or children yet so i'll say this dude's evil

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Not that I disagree with your general thrust, but it's interesting to note that in their speeches and writings Nazi leaders didn't really speak of "right" and "wrong" or "good" and "evil" but rather "strong" and "weak". Morality as we conceive it was irrelevant: all that mattered was the natural law that the strong, proud races should rightfully dominate the corrupt, decadent, deceitful ones.

stotelheim · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:51 am

I've been watching some videos of this guy on youtube, and well, there's definitely something I don't like about him. Back before he did this, I noticed something about him that just felt a bit wrong. Could just be an afterconstruction, I suppose. But I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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extrabastardformula · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:06 am

stotelheim · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:09 am

Benoit, yeah.
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Kurenai · Joined: 14 Jan 2007

Hey guys. Most of you don't know me or remember me. I used to be more active on the IC forums way too long ago. Not that it matters.

Pro-wrestling is a niche pastime, much like videogames. I don't expect everyone to like it or respect it. This story, however, has seeped into mainstrem news with the usual suspect headlines, basically screaming "roid rage". Beyond the fact that esteroid abuse has not been confirmed, the real crux of the matter lies elsewhere. If you have never followed wrestling, this will never impact you as hard as it did to us who do. Let me try to explain why this is so harrowing.

Chris Benoit was an exemplary man for the industry of wrestling. He was a superb athlete, a great entertainer and a professional in the locker room, but if you follow the "behind the scenes" something was always evident: everyone who knew or had met Benoit in real life, be it fans o performers, had nothing but praise for him, for his kindness and generosity, his love for wrestling and how caring he was with his family and friends. It's hard for me to draw a parallel in the mainstream media because even the nicest celebrity you can think of could have a dark side and you wouldn't be surprised about it. Not Benoit.

The minute I heard about him and his family found dead, I thought it was some stupid accident like leaving the gas on... my exact thoughts were "this wasn't the way Benoit was supposed to go". Then the details emerged and it was all like a horrible dream. I don't blame people for watching videos of "The Canadian Crippler" NOW and thinking he was a madman all along (he was called the "rabid wolverine", he was supposed to bring rawness and intensity to the ring), but the truth is that even the guys that knew him well for years and spent 300 days a year with him didn't see this coming at all.

Most of us fans are confused as how to feel since he was nothing short of a sports hero, someone who we cheered and celebrated. This isn't like Eddie Guerrero, where we can all celebrate him in dead. It feels wrong to have admired a murderer... but does the horrible things he did in his last days erase all the good he did in his lifetime? It's a hard question and everyone is dealing with it as best as they can.

Me, despite the fact I hate what he did, I can't bring myself to hate him. While there was some deliberation in his acts and the responsibility lies squarely on his shoulders, I want to believe something sent him over the edge and he ended killing himself not because he feared prosecution, but because he couldn't live with what he did. Maybe I'm being too kind with a man who took the life of his wife and 7 year old son, a man who I never met in real life, but it helps me reconciliate this image of a generous and noble entertainer with that of a broken human being.

Again, it's hard for me to give an adequate, closer example relating to Select Button, since there's a detachment between us and, say, game designers... but well, my point is, whenever I see the blanket response of "wrestlers are fucked up, potential murderers bursting with roid rage", there are a few wrestlers that in my mind would fit the category, but the pain in the community lies with the fact that, by all accounts, Chris Benoit was not one of them. He pulled a 180° over a weekend, and while some wish he rots in the hell, some try to rationalize his acts, some are watching their tapes trying to find hints of a deranged mind, or a cry for help... the fact remains that he was the last guy you would think of doing this, and it still doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway, just wanted to offer some perspective form the side of wrestling fandom... thanks.

Hot Stott Bot · banned Joined: 05 Dec 2006

On top of what kurenai said, the steroids thing just makes it even weirder.

Benoit was well-recognized as one of the guys who rolled with the "no drugs" crew. He was one of those really old school athlete types, and also a trainer for new wrestlers. Physically, too, if you look at him, he's quite well built yet doesn't have any of the stereotypical steroid features, so, yeah, it is very weird.

I mean, you might expect some freaky steroided-up wrestler to be obsessed with injecting their kid with steroids or something, yet that doesn't fit Benoit's character at all.

I mean, one of his better friends in the wrestling industry (Eddie Guerrero) died of substance abuse.

So.

Weird.

Very weird.

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RobotRocker · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:40 am

Hot Stott Bot · banned Joined: 05 Dec 2006

I suppose if someone who wanted to be a good guy like Benoit got pressured into using steroids that could very easily be the kind of thing which would add even more stress on the individual than that industry and lifestyle does on most...

Vikram Ray · Joined: 06 Dec 2006

Last photo of Benoit, taken by a fan at the doctor's office the day before he killed his wife. Thought it was worth posting for how fucking creepy it is.