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parkbench
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The evillitude is only muddled by the fact that it's done under orders in a war. So, innocent people dying in a bombing in Baghdad or what have you is evil but not as simple as a man with a revolver; it's layered evillitude; evil with buffers and layers to make it socially acceptable.
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parkbench
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:33 am |
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act may be evil (not to say i completely agree with you here, but yeah) but that does not make the perosn doing it neccessarily evil.
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I think a guy stuffing a revolver in his wife's/kid's/mother's mouth and looking them in the eye and pulling the trigger is more evil than a guy 20,000 feet in the air wearing a flight suit flipping a switch thinking he's dropping bombs on an anthrax factory.
maybe his commanders are evil because they knew the intended target was close to civilians but as a whole I don't think our military makes a habit out of wasting billions of dollars of weaponry just to kill innocent, albiet worthless civilians. |
isn't this exactly what i said?
ps: godwin's law godwin's law bree bree (though I actually find that it sometimes invalidates the scenarios where using him as a point is valid, but i guess that's entailed in it all neh)
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parkbench
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:06 am |
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By saying that one situation is clearly evil ("simple") and another is diffused evil ("layered"), I thought I was naturally implying that one was clearly more easy to judge than the other--one was clearly, more resolutely 'evil.'
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parkbench
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:16 am |
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| also this thread is hilarious |
lol HEY GAYZ let's post in TEH AXE!1
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Yes, you effectively communicated that one situation was easier to label "evil". But that statement doesn't actually arrive at any moral conclusion of it's own, and as such doesn't work as a rebuttal of Waffen's argument where he clearly states that one is more evil. He did not merely say that it was easier to judge as evil, he clearly stated that it was actually a more heinous act in the simple case. |
By using the word "evil" I am inherently making a judgment. The word evil is so loaded, too, that it can only be used in situations of clear-cut wrongdoing. The 'evils' of modern warfare, as I said, are so diffused and layered and complex that using the word 'evil' grossly over-simplifies the situation. Civilians dying is a 'tragedy,' not 'evil,' at least in the cases where we assume it wasn't deliberate (and we shouldn't make the ethnocentric mistake that other militaries are like our own).
By saying that one situation is more clear-cut, I am saying the moral judgment is one a child learns to make at the age of two or three; it is one almost no one would disagree upon. I think anyone would think it more heinous simply because it has an identifiable source to blame, to be held accountable, whereas a problem like "nations waving their pricks at each other" is so much more involved and layered that I would think most people do not have the same almost instinctive human repulsion to it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:36 am |
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sorry for trying to bring some comic relief through phonological silliness :( i have wronged you slipstream
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