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BenoitRen
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Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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Benoit's arguments remind me of a friend who used to own a cell but never answered. he kept saying to stop calling him or IM'ing him and send him email.
I sent him an email.
Got a reply two weeks later.
Wanted to kick the shit out of him. |
I hope you're not assuming that I'm the same way. I reply to e-mails, and can be reached at home.
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| See this whole idea is all nice and well when you don't actually need to talk to people all the time, but some people do. |
Sure. Before these things were commercialised the crap out of them, only people who really needed it, like important business staff, owned one.
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| Can you even have a real job without a cellphone these days? |
...Of course. Duh.
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| I don't know, it just seems to me that I regularly run into situatiosn where I'm doing something and waiting for someone and the solution is just, "call me when you get there!", or, "call me if you get lost!", or "call me if you need any more info!", etc., etc. |
Before mobile phones, people made actual appointments to meet at a certain time. Now there's no discipline anymore, and it's always "Are you there yet?" "Where the fuck are you?" "Come over here!" etc.
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| Can't a cellphone be a device of convenience, like a wristwatch, instead of a device that people have to argue around for it's usefulness? |
Doesn't seem like it. A wristwatch is convenient. They don't try to deck those out with as many features as possible. A mobile phone, though, is being touted as something you NEED, with camera, colour screen, custom ring tones, text messages (with pictures), games, etc.
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Takashi
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:45 pm |
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| Can't a cellphone be a device of convenience, like a wristwatch, instead of a device that people have to argue around for it's usefulness? |
Doesn't seem like it. A wristwatch is convenient. They don't try to deck those out with as many features as possible. A mobile phone, though, is being touted as something you NEED, with camera, colour screen, custom ring tones, text messages (with pictures), games, etc. |
There are wristwatches with calculators, cameras, engraved in gold and diamonds, with swappable covers, even with organizers and radio or TV's built in (and most of these models were made in the 80's). Ads will point out those extra features, or if they're premium watches, how good looking, successful and attractive I will be with them. You never see an ad that says "Tag Heur : It tells you the time.". More like "It tells you the time... at 200 mph!".
Even the cheapest Timex digital watch you can buy has a chronograph mode, with split-lap to the millisecond and everything, that you provably will never use.
You're European, right? Most towns have a audible church bell and large clocks in several locations. You can ask someone the time. And the sun can provide very accurate time measures. And even so, if you check a clock before leaving home, our internal clock will get the time right, give or take 10 minutes for a few hours, what is perfect for most people. Pocket clocks were invented for astronomers and seafarers that required precise time measures in motion to avoid getting lost and as "regular" people we don't require the same sort of precision in our fingertips.
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:33 pm |
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I'm one of those who texts (?) people since I loathe having to talk to people over the phone. Three years of telemarketing is to blame for that. Any phone I use must come with a qwerty keyboard and email. The email is mainly for business needs.
Talking is to be done in person, something about blabbing over the phone never has sat well with me. |
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I'd have a lot more use for portable email than a portable phone. It would be like a worldwide notepad.
Having Google Maps built in would be even better. |
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CubaLibre
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Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:54 pm |
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I hate talking on phones, and refuse to do it unless necessary.
I own a cell phone, but it is a tool to be used by me. I am not its tool to be used. I will never feel obligation to answer my cell phone, unless I have previously and specifically told someone that I will be answering.
Mostly, it's good for emergencies. Sure, people dealt with emergencies before cell phones, but they dealt with emergencies without police and fire departments too, other modern developments I like having around.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:24 pm |
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I'm one of those who texts (?) people since I loathe having to talk to people over the phone. Three years of telemarketing is to blame for that. Any phone I use must come with a qwerty keyboard and email. The email is mainly for business needs.
Talking is to be done in person, something about blabbing over the phone never has sat well with me. |
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I'd have a lot more use for portable email than a portable phone. It would be like a worldwide notepad.
Having Google Maps built in would be even better. |
My phone actually does have Google Maps built in as well as Berry 411.
Berry 411 is like a yellow/white pages. You type in a subject (like Chinese Food) and a zip code. It then pops up a list of whatever is cloest to your area with a phone number and even a map with directions, if you so wish. It also tells you the weather and even movie start times. It's rather handy!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:29 am |
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taidan
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:54 am |
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Benoit's arguments remind me of a friend who used to own a cell but never answered. he kept saying to stop calling him or IM'ing him and send him email.
I sent him an email.
Got a reply two weeks later.
Wanted to kick the shit out of him. |
I hope you're not assuming that I'm the same way. I reply to e-mails, and can be reached at home.
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Not at all. I can understand someone not always wanting to be in contact with people at all times. This guy just made it impossible no matter what you did, whjich is beyond frustrating. |
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psiga
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Yep. That's the sort of stuff I'd want. Web, G-map, operating hours/start times, and text messages that aren't pay-per-send SMS. Preferably something that lets me custom set the ringtone without having to pay somebody -- but honestly I'd just want to put in something unobtrusive.
If it had some fair video/photo/music storage capabilities, that would be nice as well. In case I wanted to show somebody something that's hard to describe, or if I wanted to drop a couple episodes of something on there when I know I'd be waiting around.
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mechanori
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:11 am |
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| I'm just making sure all of you know about Google SMS. I use it to get directions all the time. Try it out! |
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:31 am |
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| You can maybe trust these people without doting on them? Go have fun without them. I like doing that. It's their loss if they flake out on a good time. Give them shit later about how they missed the bus full of dwarves that pulled up and then they can bother to show up for next event. |
What, man, I do trust them, it is just I don't know exactly when they are going to be places.
I mean, not that there aren't alternate solutions, but they're far less convenient...
Also, today I had to go take care of some business while my friends went to a movie and I was going to meet up with them there. However, the showing was sold out, but because me and my friends all had cellphones I was able to call one while they were in the theatre to come out and work some trickery to sneak me in!
Transformers was good, by the way.
(Note this probably would have been impossible were it not for the fact that I had my cellphone and knew that my friends had their cellphones handy!) |
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:34 am |
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| Can you even have a real job without a cellphone these days? |
...Of course. Duh. |
Okay, well I was told I needed to have a cellphone when I started my job. >_< |
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:35 am |
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I just don't get how a cellphone can be such a bad thing to outweigh all the benefits! I mean, if you don't want to talk to people they have handy mute buttons these days! And vibrate mode (which I almost always use)! And easy one-button ways to just not ring or vibrate on all incoming calls when you're busy!
I mean you can be as non-contactable as you want with a cellphone these days.
And the cellphone alarm clock feature is invaluable! Also just as a way keep all my phone numbers handy for ordering food and stuff.
And it isn't like you have to have some clunky device with a camera and whatnot. My phone is really small and only really has an address book and an alarm clock. |
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:42 am |
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| Before mobile phones, people made actual appointments to meet at a certain time. Now there's no discipline anymore, and it's always "Are you there yet?" "Where the fuck are you?" "Come over here!" etc. |
Yes and before e-mail people wrote delicately crafted handwritten letters that precisely communicated their ideas, and now we have lazy e-mail chains. I guess we better ditch e-mail?
Also, I still make appointments! The cellphone just helps with precision, reduces mistakes, and whatnot...
Before the cellphone it was more standing around for 10 minutes wondering, "where the fuck is he," and then going home and finding out the next day what happened... |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:38 pm |
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| BenoitRen, you're an awfully tiresome curmudgeon. How the hell are Luddites successful in the IT world? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:36 pm |
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| Actually luddites can work pretty okay in the IT world because they refuse to spend any money on anything new and so save money on the bottom line. This works well for small companies, not so well for large companies. |
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parkbench
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:44 pm |
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Texting is amazing. So useful. The way you talk to someone on text can be totally different than on the phone itself; I can remember countless situations where throughout the day I´d be tied up with something where I couldnt´be "on" my phone but I was saved by texting.
T9word ftw.
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Daphaknee
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Joined: 31 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:47 pm |
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I actually just lost my phone to the void (the ocean) and now im looking into getting a new phone. All i really want is bluetooth though so i can transfer annoying clips of songs from my computer for awesomely loud ringtones
i dont like camera phones because i would much rather take a picture with a digital camera
i also dont like flip phones for some stupid aesthetic reason
so hmmm shopping shopping for a phone phone phone
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Takashi
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mechanori
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:17 pm |
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| Does anyone know about unlocked cell phones and activating them for certain providers? This sounds like something I would want to do, but I don't really understand how it works, or if it would work with Verizon. |
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:54 pm |
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Hot Stott Bot, you posted four times in a row. o_O
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| I just don't get how a cellphone can be such a bad thing to outweigh all the benefits! |
For some of us, they don't have real benefits.
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| Yes and before e-mail people wrote delicately crafted handwritten letters that precisely communicated their ideas, and now we have lazy e-mail chains. I guess we better ditch e-mail? |
Bad example. You can write letters and e-mails how you want, with as much thought behind it as you want. But with appointments, if people respect them, there's no use for a mobile phone.
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| Also, I still make appointments! The cellphone just helps with precision, reduces mistakes, and whatnot... |
Which shouldn't be needed in the first place. Come on time. Everyone should learn to do so. This was possible before mobile phones, it should still be possible.
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| Whenever I read things like "id like to by a new car," I cringe inside, imagine some grunting ape who happened across a keyboard, and move on without thinking about the attempted message. |
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:02 am |
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| Also, I still make appointments! The cellphone just helps with precision, reduces mistakes, and whatnot... |
Which shouldn't be needed in the first place. Come on time. Everyone should learn to do so. This was possible before mobile phones, it should still be possible. |
But what if the bus or your car breaks down? Or you aren't sure exactly how long it will take to get somewhere? Or something goes wrong and you can't make it? Or you're going to be late because an emergency came up? Or the movie ticket example I gave earlier in this thread? |
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Wilkes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:23 am |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
Hot Stott Bot, you posted four times in a row. o_O
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| I just don't get how a cellphone can be such a bad thing to outweigh all the benefits! |
For some of us, they don't have real benefits.
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| Yes and before e-mail people wrote delicately crafted handwritten letters that precisely communicated their ideas, and now we have lazy e-mail chains. I guess we better ditch e-mail? |
Bad example. You can write letters and e-mails how you want, with as much thought behind it as you want. But with appointments, if people respect them, there's no use for a mobile phone.
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| Also, I still make appointments! The cellphone just helps with precision, reduces mistakes, and whatnot... |
Which shouldn't be needed in the first place. Come on time. Everyone should learn to do so. This was possible before mobile phones, it should still be possible. |
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:10 pm |
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| But what if the bus or your car breaks down? |
Bad luck. It's not as if it happens that often.
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| Or you aren't sure exactly how long it will take to get somewhere? |
You should find out first. And I would wait at least 15 minutes before going away.
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| Or something goes wrong and you can't make it? |
Again, bad luck, and if you made your appointment well, it shouldn't happen often.
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| Or you're going to be late because an emergency came up? |
Usually the appointment is cancelled then. If it's only 10 minutes, it should be okay.
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| Or the movie ticket example I gave earlier in this thread? |
That was a bad example, and doesn't apply. The movie tickets were sold out. Too bad. You shouldn't have sneaked in. Yay, mobile phones ease sneak-ins into theaters, it's a must-have!
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| Whenever I read things like "id like to by a new car," I cringe inside, imagine some grunting ape who happened across a keyboard, and move on without thinking about the attempted message. |
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Lick Meth
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:20 pm |
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| Not having a mobile phone does not make you special. It just makes you awkward or difficult. |
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negativedge
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| Everyone I've ever known that has lost or had their phone disabled for a significant amount of time (and this is, uhh, most people I know) has talked about how liberating it is. |
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extrabastardformula
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:32 pm |
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| But what if the bus or your car breaks down? |
Bad luck. It's not as if it happens that often.
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| Or you aren't sure exactly how long it will take to get somewhere? |
You should find out first. And I would wait at least 15 minutes before going away.
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| Or something goes wrong and you can't make it? |
Again, bad luck, and if you made your appointment well, it shouldn't happen often.
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| Or you're going to be late because an emergency came up? |
Usually the appointment is cancelled then. If it's only 10 minutes, it should be okay.
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| Or the movie ticket example I gave earlier in this thread? |
That was a bad example, and doesn't apply. The movie tickets were sold out. Too bad. You shouldn't have sneaked in. Yay, mobile phones ease sneak-ins into theaters, it's a must-have! |
Those are like arguements against using tax dollars to pay for a fire department. "Bad luck, it shouldn't happen often. You should plan better" does not mean that contingecy for when things go wrong is horrible and the sole province of people who are weaker and less special than you.
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parkbench
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| Everyone I've ever known that has lost or had their phone disabled for a significant amount of time (and this is, uhh, most people I know) has talked about how liberating it is. |
So is UHMM eschewing all your material wealth and living with Bushmen for a few years
but i still wouldn't do it
ps: i imagine benoit ren living in the appalachians with people who speak old english (i know not really) and everybody knows everybody and so if you don't make an appointment someone will post something on the community signboard and then you really will get an earful.
also, benoit, you refuse to counter point the argument which totally dismantles yours:
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| You're European, right? Most towns have a audible church bell and large clocks in several locations. You can ask someone the time. And the sun can provide very accurate time measures. And even so, if you check a clock before leaving home, our internal clock will get the time right, give or take 10 minutes for a few hours, what is perfect for most people. Pocket clocks were invented for astronomers and seafarers that required precise time measures in motion to avoid getting lost and as "regular" people we don't require the same sort of precision in our fingertips. |
live your ascetic lifestyle if you wish, but i'd refrain from claiming it's "just the same" as doing shit with a cell.
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BenoitRen
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:16 pm |
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| Not having a mobile phone does not make you special. It just makes you awkward or difficult. |
So everyone was awkward or difficult to contact when they didn't have a mobile phone? Please, stop talking bollocks.
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| Those are like arguements against using tax dollars to pay for a fire department. "Bad luck, it shouldn't happen often. You should plan better" does not mean that contingecy for when things go wrong is horrible and the sole province of people who are weaker and less special than you. |
Those tax dollars go for ALL the fires, which is much more likely to happen. Also, fire is a big deal. Missing an appointment is not.
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Not really, because 1) I don't see how it's all that relevant or even a good argument, and 2) I don't wear a watch anyway. But suffice to say that no, we don't have large clocks in multiple locations here (how would a church bell help anyway?), and not everyone's internal clock is the same, and not everyone has the same feeling of time.
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I do not live an ascetic lifestyle. I'm just not a sheep, and think about what I need instead of getting it because everyone else does, or because it's supposedly super-handy. Mobile phones became popular and suddenly I'm from the last century and out of style? Screw that shit. I'm sure that if the mobile phone wasn't around, most people would still be doing just as well.
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:21 pm |
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| Not having a mobile phone does not make you special. It just makes you awkward or difficult. |
So everyone was awkward or difficult to contact when they didn't have a mobile phone? Please, stop talking bollocks. |
Yes they were. Why is that "bollocks"?
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| Those are like arguements against using tax dollars to pay for a fire department. "Bad luck, it shouldn't happen often. You should plan better" does not mean that contingecy for when things go wrong is horrible and the sole province of people who are weaker and less special than you. |
Those tax dollars go for ALL the fires, which is much more likely to happen. Also, fire is a big deal. Missing an appointment is not. |
So now you're argument comes down to the fact that, according to you, the conveniences afforded by a mobile phone simply "aren't a big deal", as opposed to not existing, which brings me back to my original question about what is so bad about a mobile phone to outweigh the benefits, since there clearly are benefits... you just happen to consider them "not a big deal".
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| I'm sure that if the mobile phone wasn't around, most people would still be doing just as well. |
Well it is nice to know that you're so sure, but "I'm sure!" isn't much of an argument.
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Focus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:22 pm |
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| I'm just not a sheep |
lol unwashed masses.
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Hot Stott Bot
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Sup Focus?
This guy is insane.
Why can't I let this go?
Actually I guess it is because I know a lot of people exactly like him with all the same viewpoints, and I don't like most of them, and somehow this irks me more. |
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Focus
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You're just that kind of person, I suppose.
And, well, I'm sure most people who have cell phones aren't doing it because it is the trendy thing to do. Well, I'm sure most iPhone customers are doing it for the COOL FEATURES. But. Still.
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Hot Stott Bot
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This is also a good point.
I got a cellphone because I was constantly feeling like it was an inconvenience not to have one. Also, as I pointed out, I have a minimalist cellphone with a bare minimum number of features in a very small profile.
I mean, it doesn't really make sense to get a cellphone "because it is trendy"... because... it isn't trendy... it is just... standard. |
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Cell phone story:
So this girl tells me to call her anytime when I want to hang out (I really just want to listen to my SUPER LIMITED EDITION vinyls because I don't have a record player). So, today, I call her. Four times. First time I call was me leaving a simple message, "Hey, it's me, Alex, call me back when you get this message." I space out the second and third calls by an hour each. Fourth call is thirty minutes after the third, she picks up.
Doesn't feel like hanging out!
"Well, did you get my message?"
"Yeah."
"Why didn't you call me back, like I asked?"
I suppose if anything, these interactions are a big part of our cell phone society. That, and people being fairly inconsiderate, etc etc.
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| Oh I hate it when girls do that. |
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Takashi
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Not really, because 1) I don't see how it's all that relevant or even a good argument, and 2) I don't wear a watch anyway. But suffice to say that no, we don't have large clocks in multiple locations here (how would a church bell help anyway?), and not everyone's internal clock is the same, and not everyone has the same feeling of time. |
1) Personally, I don't give a rat's ass if you don't wear a cellphone. I'm not the social police. I do think a cellphone is pretty much like a watch - a convenience. I didn't wrote that specifically as a defense of cellphones, only because those devices are very similar in concept. You argued against, and I gave what I believe is a valid counterexample - watches are as much a "NEED" as a cellphone, and are marketed in the exact same way. The only difference is that they have been around for a much longer time.
Why you didn't simply said "I don't wear a watch anyway" right away and for once agree with someone on this forum, or simply ignoring me, God only knows. Actually, I know : It's the classical Usenet definition of trolling.
2) Clocks only became mass public devices, let's say by the end of the 19th century. Even then, a pocket/wrist watch would still be a considerably expensive device, passed on by generations. As so, and with a large number of poor populace unable to afford/own one, many cities built working "public" time pieces. In highly catholic-influenced countries, church bells can play as often as quarter-hours blocks, albeit most now do so in only half-hours. They're as valid a method of timekeeping as any other.
3) No, everyone, save for recognized diseases has a biological clock based on the day cycle that's fairly accurate. You may be thinking on the basis of "perceived time" (having fun time goes faster), but the brain still keeps regular track of the time. So much that, as you said, you don't need a wristwatch to keep track of time and meetings and hence erm, cyclically proving my previous post?
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I've got an old Samsung that I hate, but does what I need it to, if not what I want it to. I've been eyeing the Helio Ocean for the last few days, for when I move to the states. It's got instant messaging, e-mail, GPS, google maps, a consolidated contact list that really looks pretty amazing, a camera, and just a lot of things that I'm into. It's also cheaper than the iphone, and I hear bad things about the network speeds of that one anyway. Plus, I think it's not supposed to have IM? I kind of really want that, so if it doesn't I think I'll pass on the exceptionally slick UI for features that I really, really want.
So ah, what's the general take on the Ocean? I don't know anything about the lay of the land here, except that a smartphone might work, although I'm not entirely sure if I like the idea of a non-centralized IM client. The Helio seems to have that extremely well integrated with all the apps and all of that.
Any other ideas for what a man could buy, if that's a bad decision? IM and GPS are musts, and integrated or otherwise easily accessible Google Maps would really seal the deal on this here thing.
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I just don't get how a cellphone can be such a bad thing to outweigh all the benefits! I mean, if you don't want to talk to people they have handy mute buttons these days! And vibrate mode (which I almost always use)! And easy one-button ways to just not ring or vibrate on all incoming calls when you're busy!
I mean you can be as non-contactable as you want with a cellphone these days.
And the cellphone alarm clock feature is invaluable! Also just as a way keep all my phone numbers handy for ordering food and stuff.
And it isn't like you have to have some clunky device with a camera and whatnot. My phone is really small and only really has an address book and an alarm clock. |
Yes!
I always hated regular phones because of how inconvenient they can be (like, you are watching a movie or trying to sleep and the damn thing starts to ring loudly, and it turns out it's someone you don't even wanna talk to), but I really like cellphones - and I resisted a lot until getting one, exactly because I didn't like the regular ones.
Also I lost my cellphone last friday :( |
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scratchmonkey
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| Can you even have a real job without a cellphone these days? |
...Of course. Duh. |
Okay, well I was told I needed to have a cellphone when I started my job. >_< |
Bott, this is probably your work telling you that you "need" one because they want to be able to contact you at all hours of the day. In other words, it's for their benefit and not yours. If somebody at my job told me I "needed" a cell phone, I'd tell them okay, if they entirely pay for it and only expect me to use it during work hours. This is actually the main reason that I don't have a cell phone -- I work in the same industry as you and a cell phone easily becomes a "job leash", which is something I'd prefer to avoid.
I also have similar views to dhex on cell phones in that I find them socially obnoxious -- I don't particularly like having to hear one-half of people's private conversations when I'm stuck on a bus or waiting at the airport or shopping. Obviously the problem here is not so much the device itself, rather, it's the device enabling people to be self-centered assholes who engage in antisocial behavior.
That said, I recognize the utility of the cell phone and should probably get a prepaid one with a small amount of minutes. Part of the problem with doing that is that the cell phone industry is pretty horrible in the US what with the contract system and charging for calls both ways. |
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| Can you even have a real job without a cellphone these days? |
...Of course. Duh. |
Okay, well I was told I needed to have a cellphone when I started my job. >_< |
Bott, this is probably your work telling you that you "need" one because they want to be able to contact you at all hours of the day. In other words, it's for their benefit and not yours. If somebody at my job told me I "needed" a cell phone, I'd tell them okay, if they entirely pay for it and only expect me to use it during work hours. This is actually the main reason that I don't have a cell phone -- I work in the same industry as you and a cell phone easily becomes a "job leash", which is something I'd prefer to avoid. |
Well yes, that is indeed why I "needed" a cell phone, and it seems like a valid enough reason to me.
I mean, I've needed to contact people at crazy times for work reasons before, and if they weren't reachable bad shit would've gone down, so eh, there you are... I mean as long as people only use it when they really need to get in touch with you for work reasons that's fine by me.
99% of the time I get called while outside work for work reasons it is just a simple question that someone needs the answer to like right now. Usually people just e-mail me and I check my e-mail regularly enough outside of work.
I think I've only been "called back in"... once? ... maybe twice? ... in my time. |
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scratchmonkey
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Well yes, that is indeed why I "needed" a cell phone, and it seems like a valid enough reason to me.
I mean, I've needed to contact people at crazy times for work reasons before, and if they weren't reachable bad shit would've gone down, so eh, there you are... I mean as long as people only use it when they really need to get in touch with you for work reasons that's fine by me.
99% of the time I get called while outside work for work reasons it is just a simple question that someone needs the answer to like right now. Usually people just e-mail me and I check my e-mail regularly enough outside of work.
I think I've only been "called back in"... once? ... maybe twice? ... in my time. |
Are they paying for it though? It just seems unreasonable to me that having a cell phone would be a requirement of the company and that they wouldn't reimburse you for it, so long as it was used soley for work. Or rather, it seems reasonable to me to ask them to reimburse you for a work phone.
I've found that email's been quick enough for me and that the combo of my work phone and home phone fills in the gaps -- anyplace where I can't be reached by those I probably wouldn't be answering a hypothetical cell phone anyway. |
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