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Touran



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: I watched a man die tonight.    Reply with quote

I work at a Ruby Tuesday. I just recently acquired the job thanks to a few friends of mine who were able to pull some weight and get me in. I've worked there all of two weeks now, and hardly know the staff currently employed.

This person who honestly looked a few years older than myself had apparently been working at the restaurant since it opened, about 8 years ago. He was a co-worker who I barely knew and the extent of my contact with him was seeing the Transformers movie on opening day. He apparently enjoyed the whole Transformers shtick and loved the movie, which is moreso than I could say.

At any rate, I show up for work - 5 PM to Close, and he's there. He has the same shift as I do, except he seems a little more happy about it than I am. I find out that the reason he's excited is that he's at his target weight. He weighs less currently than he did in highschool. (He is under 200lbs) He's pretty ecstatic about this. On monday, he's going to a sushi place with some people from work and his friends. I get invited along and I agree to go, it sounds like fun and I like sushi on occasion. The time goes by uneventfully and we start closing early since the place is empty.

I walk out front to mop some areas, when we all get called into the kitchen to help lift him up. He's passed out on the kitchen floor. I'm one of the smaller guys, so I watch as they lift him into the dining room. I push some chairs and tables out of the way while they lie him down in a booth. His hands are clutching tightly at his sides and his breathing is shallow. This is about the 3rd or 4th time I've seen someone collapse for no apparent reason, (not counting alcohol consumption), and remark that he will probably be alright. The other staff called 911 and I find out he's passed out like this at least once before. As we wait for the paramedics, his breathing stops, and his clenched fists relax. He's very pale. The firedept. and a police cruiser show up first and rush inside. They administer rudimentary CPR and pull him onto a stretcher and cart him off in something. I didn't see which vehicle they put him in. The firedept. and some other volunteer force which showed up speed off towards our local hospital. The policewoman stays behind and talks to the staff. She tries to reassure everyone that he will be alright, but when questioned about whether he started breathing again, she remarked he did not. "I just watched a man kill himself tonight" was the only thought running through my mind.
We went back to our jobs, cleaning up the restaurant, etc.

The manager calls us all together after a few minutes. Andrew died at the hospital, he tells us.

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I just got off work, and I have to open the place in about 8 hours. I only know the person's first name, Andrew. I was going to celebrate his weight loss with him on monday. I've known Andrew for less than a week. I'm going to drink a bit and maybe play some videogames. I may call in sick tommorrow.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:37 am        Reply with quote

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"I just watched a man kill himself tonight"

This part throws me off. Do you think his death was natural causes or some cruel accident? How old was this guy?

Last dead guy I saw was back in high school. During a church white water rafting trip, we all came upon some poor guy that had drowned a few hours earlier that day. We had to drag him and his canoe to shore and send a few of the adults on foot to find a road/help.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:38 am        Reply with quote

DonMarco wrote:
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"I just watched a man kill himself tonight"

This part throws me off. Do you think his death was natural causes or some cruel accident? How old was this guy?


I'm wondering the same thing...
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Touran



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:48 am        Reply with quote

He was on a severe diet, he lost about 180lbs in a short period of time.
His body just shut down is what I was told.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:51 am        Reply with quote

Oh damn... that's so... silly... it is rather sad... mainly because there's no reason he couldn't probably have been on just as restrictive a diet but healthily with the right supplements and stuff...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:40 am        Reply with quote

That makes more sense. I've been 180-220 since high school. The lowest I've been was 165 back in my "starving in Jaypan days" a few years back. In the first three months I was back in teh states, I gained 40 pounds. Which is nice. I can now lift more serious weights and have a more upbeat attitude. 210 is probably my ideal, and if I ever get back down to 200 I'll probably seek medical attention.

Does this whole experience make you want to learn CPR, Touran?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:33 am        Reply with quote

Wow, that sucks. I don't really understand extreme weight fluctuations like that. No one should ever quickly lose 180 pounds, nor should they ever have 180 pounds to shed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:37 am        Reply with quote

toups post itt we're really worried about you D:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:42 pm        Reply with quote

DonMarco wrote:
Does this whole experience make you want to learn CPR, Touran?


Yes, it does actually. There were a few girls trained in CPR from lifeguard stints at the restaurant, but they were unable to do anything in time. They couldn't remember how exactly to do it.

It makes me want to become a doctor, since the closest help he had were volunteer rescuers. (This includes the people from the firedept.) They weren't doing so hot nor had the equipment on hand to deal with the severity of the situation.

I'm going to work now, see if it's still open for the day.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:14 pm        Reply with quote

A lot of doctors don't really know CPR. They'd wing it out of a feeling of responsibility, though, and since they know a little about the body they'd probably be able to pull it off. Rescue teams, though, they do it daily so they'd probably do a better job. Well, professional ones in big cities.

Touran - would you say you would have expected your response? I'm asking because I imagine I'd be a little stoic in this case, but maybe only out of shock and not knowing what to do instead of really being emotionless...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:22 pm        Reply with quote

Sad to hear, Touran.

I knew a guy, actually, I was enemies in highschool with. I say that kind of loosely... he was two years younger than me, and, pretty much worthless at antagonizing me. But he tried, and tried, and tried for the two years our highschool overlapped, and it was a real pain in the ass just from annoyance factor than anything.

On the walk home from the bus, he generally tried to start fights with me. I would inevitably pin him to the ground, punch him a few times, and then let him go. I never really hurt him too badly, and It went like this for a while. Try, punch, try, punch. He annoyed the hell out of me, and I was thankful when I graduated so I didn't have to deal with his lame bullshit anymore. I was one of those guys who'd rather be left alone than start fights, to be honest, and I'd avoid it if possible- But the kid would never quit. It was pretty sad.

I learned 3 or 4 years after I graduated that he was messing with his stereo while driving at one point, and then crashed into the side of a bus and killed himself. I still felt bad for him despite his shit, and moreso for his mom, since she was a really nice person despite her son being a prick in highschool.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:38 pm        Reply with quote

Isn't it mandatory to have at least one person who knows first aid always on shift? Or did those girls count?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:15 pm        Reply with quote

I spent a large part of high school working to stop this girl I knew from hurting herself and attempting suicide, and less than a year after graduation I found out that she crashed and died while driving in heavy rain.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:43 pm        Reply with quote

internisus wrote:
I spent a large part of high school working to stop this girl I knew from hurting herself and attempting suicide, and less than a year after graduation I found out that she crashed and died while driving in heavy rain.


Similar situation: but I've only heard that she went missing a couple of times, dropped out of school, and got into drugs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:52 pm        Reply with quote

Krabjuice wrote:

Similar situation: but I've only heard that she went missing a couple of times, dropped out of school, and got into drugs.


This describes a third of my (rich private school) high school class. I'm convinced that being the children of rich parents is at least as dangerous as being born dirt poor.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:49 am        Reply with quote

vision wrote:
Ebrey wrote:
Krabjuice wrote:

Similar situation: but I've only heard that she went missing a couple of times, dropped out of school, and got into drugs.


This describes a third of my (rich private school) high school class. I'm convinced that being the children of rich parents is at least as dangerous as being born dirt poor.


You have to consider the size of the safety net, but other than that it's a valid point.


I went to a rich private high school for the last 2 years of high school. One kid in there was just...One of those people who is either 100% convinced they are completely indestructible, or genuinely does not care. Nice enough guy, but had the self-preservation instincts of a lemming.

Halfway through my senior year, he dropped 20 hits of acid in the gym while it was empty, waited until his trip started before getting in his car and driving away, and wrapped his car around a telephone poll within 45 seconds of leaving the parking lot.

We're not sure if it was some bizarre suicide attempt or not, because that's how he always acted. Just completely oblivious to the fact that shit might kill him. And, it did!

It was kinda hard to even be sad about it. You're just like...Yeah, that was bound to happen at some point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:19 am        Reply with quote

vision wrote:
Ebrey wrote:
Krabjuice wrote:

Similar situation: but I've only heard that she went missing a couple of times, dropped out of school, and got into drugs.


This describes a third of my (rich private school) high school class. I'm convinced that being the children of rich parents is at least as dangerous as being born dirt poor.


You have to consider the size of the safety net, but other than that it's a valid point.


It's amazing how little rich people worry about their children though. When your daughter spends hundreds of dollars a week and loses 30 pounds (after already being thin), you know she has a coke problem. Either they don't spend any time with their children, or they think becoming a coke addict is just a phase their kids will grow out of. I just don't get it. It's one thing to let your kids have fun, it's another to risk seeing them die before you do.

The other thing that really amuses me is when rich celebs like Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan drive drunk. They, of all people, can pay for fucking cab fare.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:21 am        Reply with quote

Just got off work, was scheduled for a double today. It was rather depressing there as 90% of the staff have been there since the place opened, including Andrew. They all knew him pretty well so there was little I could do or say to comfort anyone, being so new to the place. Really, a strange time all around.

There's a jar up for donations to help pay for his funeral, I'm going to put some part of my paycheck in there.

As for whether there needs to be someone on shift at all times that can perform CPR, I have no idea if that's a law. But if I had to say anything, I would go with that the girls would be considered the designated people.

another god wrote:

Touran - would you say you would have expected your response? I'm asking because I imagine I'd be a little stoic in this case, but maybe only out of shock and not knowing what to do instead of really being emotionless...


This is pretty much par for the course for me. I'm really more angry at myself for not being able to do anything than I am upset that someone died. I hope that doesn't make me sound like a prick.

I blot out my emotions in tense situations like this, and so far it's helped me stay calm and collected enough to do something about it. It kinda freaks me out afterwards though, because I am sure I should feel remorse or some deep sadness.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:30 am        Reply with quote

Touran wrote:
I blot out my emotions in tense situations like this, and so far it's helped me stay calm and collected enough to do something about it. It kinda freaks me out afterwards though, because I am sure I should feel remorse or some deep sadness.


That's exactly how I act in those situations.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:38 am        Reply with quote

Since you say you barely knew the guy, there's no reason to expect you'd feel really sad about it. Not that I'm a grief expert but it sounds to me like your response has been pretty normal.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:10 am        Reply with quote

Well, I'm a pretty sympathetic guy, so it really weirds me out when people die and I don't really feel anything. When three of my grandparents died I felt little to no emotions for weeks. It wasn't until I was at the funeral house for a couple hours did I feel anything, and then it came out.

There's really nothing to feel ashamed about how you responded to a person you barely know dying. You tried your best to help out the situation, that's above what anyone is expected to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:34 am        Reply with quote

the only time I've ever seen someone die was at a professional motocross event. I don't remember his name but this rider was like 36 or something (oooold for the sport) and a big deal was made at how he was still riding. he finished third in the race. a group of people (me included) followed him from the finish line into the pits. as he crossed the gate into the pit area with people and press around him, he collapsed off of his bike and was dead.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:54 am        Reply with quote

I've forgotten every bit of CPR I leraned in high school. It was mandatory and it was the only mandatory piece of crap that I actually wanted to go through. Which is ironic that I forgot all of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:10 am        Reply with quote

Don't use it, you lose it. True for most things really.

Had a similiar experience with a co-worker on a different shift. Not much more than a kid really, in college, didn't believe in bathing because he always stank. It was a bit hard to keep from cringing, especially when the office still stank for a half hour after. He was fairly forgetful. Left his winter coat behind one weekend. He had some minor medical condition, and ended up dying in his bed after a night of drinking. Hard to know how to feel in that situation. He was generally a nice guy, but I never thought very well of him because of the smell, and I can't santize the image left in my mind.

His coat stayed in the office for six months after.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:57 am        Reply with quote

When my grandfather died, I was pretty much the only one who was emotionally "blank" for some time. I think this was more out of a conscious choice to "be strong" for everyone else than anything else, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:33 am        Reply with quote

nothingxs wrote:
When my grandfather died, I was pretty much the only one who was emotionally "blank" for some time. I think this was more out of a conscious choice to "be strong" for everyone else than anything else, though.


Are you supposed to be upset when a grandparent dies? When my first pair of grandparents I was too young to know them. When the second pair died they had been declining for so many years that the death itself wasn't the tragedy. Even my mom didn't show much emotion when my grandparents died, and losing a parent is a hundred times worse than a grandparent.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:30 pm        Reply with quote

On Monday I went with a few other employees to the hibachi/sushi place they were going to go to with Andrew. The food there was great, and a few of us ate his favorite kind of sushi in honor of him. Turns out he really enjoyed squid.

I donated some money to the funeral fund.

His family has asked that his coworkers not attend, explaining that they want everyone to remember him the way he was and not how he ended up.

The company has hired a psychiatrist for anyone that would like to talk some help in dealing with the situation. I declined the offer.

That's pretty much the end of this story.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:20 pm        Reply with quote

a snotty, rich girl -- a social leader -- from my high school who used to make fun of me for playing game boy in english and being fat my junior year died driving drunk, bringing a puppy to her boyfriend.

I thought it was awesome, but I'm not really a very good person.

my friend and I hugged and laughed and talked of fairness.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:36 pm        Reply with quote

Wilkes wrote:
my friend and I hugged and laughed and talked of fairness.


And what did you conclude?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:56 pm        Reply with quote

DonMarco wrote:
Last dead guy I saw was back in high school. During a church white water rafting trip, we all came upon some poor guy that had drowned a few hours earlier that day. We had to drag him and his canoe to shore and send a few of the adults on foot to find a road/help.


thats kinda cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:41 am        Reply with quote

Ebrey wrote:
nothingxs wrote:
When my grandfather died, I was pretty much the only one who was emotionally "blank" for some time. I think this was more out of a conscious choice to "be strong" for everyone else than anything else, though.


Are you supposed to be upset when a grandparent dies? When my first pair of grandparents I was too young to know them. When the second pair died they had been declining for so many years that the death itself wasn't the tragedy. Even my mom didn't show much emotion when my grandparents died, and losing a parent is a hundred times worse than a grandparent.


my grandfather was pretty much a hero to me. he was (and in a way he still is) one of the more important figures in my life. it's been two years and i still miss him a fucking lot. there's a lot of things i want to show him now that i don't have the chance to anymore and it tends to fill me with a lot of regret.

also, i think i kind of blame myself for his death, because i was generally -- and still am -- an uncooperative son of a bitch around the house. this includes things like sleeping late when he did shit like non-trivial garden work. the day that he had to be taken to the hospital and all my interactions with him in that day i remember pretty clearly, and it's one of those days that i can't really "get past," i keep revisiting it and sort of blaming myself.

probably not a healthy thing to do!
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