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falsedan

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: Gun Thread |
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So there has been some gun talk in the Vanity Photo thread.
In Australia we had a bad shooting incident, so there are substantial restrictions on types of guns available & licensing compared to the USA.
I am jonesing for an FN Five-seveN (man those capitals look stupid), but importing one anywhere could be a struggle.
Post images of your favourite firearms designer.
I saw him first. _________________
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Brooks

Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Location: peak caucasity
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:43 pm |
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I own one o'these silly objects:
Fuck Knows who cooked it up, but I'd shake his/her/its paw. |
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falsedan

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:03 pm |
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I would like to draw attention to the serendipitous alignment of your avatar & the firearm! _________________
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parkbench

Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Broco

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Headquarters
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:06 pm |
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Let's get this out of the way:
[insert rabid gun control troll post here] |
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falsedan

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:19 pm |
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Oh man Sam Fisher's sidearm is a FN Five-seveN. :frothing demand down:
Broco you make some good points I guess we can all agree to disagree and post more Smith/Wesson slash. _________________
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:20 pm |
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| falsedan wrote: |
| I am jonesing for an FN Five-seveN (man those capitals look stupid), but importing one anywhere could be a struggle. |
And the ammunition is rare and expensive.
I hear good things about those 5.7mm rounds though.
I think the Forty-Nine is one the prettiest autoloaders I've ever seen. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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km

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Minor character in a frame story
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:53 am |
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I want a P90C. That rifle is just basically awesome in every way. I imagine going to the range with it would be very satisfying (though expensive :/)
If I can remember which was the right model, I want a Beretta Xtrema2 for trap & skeet. _________________
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Adilegian Rogue Scholar

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Q*Bert Killscreen Nightmare
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:06 am |
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I love bolt action rifles. The Mosin Nagant is my favorite. _________________
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Toups tyranically banal

Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Location: Ebon Keep
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:08 am |
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| Broco wrote: |
Let's get this out of the way:
[insert rabid gun control troll post here] |
is it okay to believe in gun control and think guns are fucking awesome at the same time? _________________
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EmX banned
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:14 am |
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| What exactly is gun control's agenda anyways? |
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Toups tyranically banal

Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Location: Ebon Keep
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:15 am |
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| EmX wrote: |
| What exactly is gun control's agenda anyways? |
destroying freedom probably. _________________
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psiga saudade

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:19 am |
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| falsedan wrote: |
| I would like to draw attention to the serendipitous alignment of your avatar & the firearm! |
Thank you for doing so, because I kinda glossed over it before. _________________
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Mr. Business

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: Hiding
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:36 am |
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| EmX wrote: |
| What exactly is gun control's agenda anyways? |
Depends on which flavor you want. _________________ Taking a break. |
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falsedan

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:41 am |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| falsedan wrote: |
| I am jonesing for an FN Five-seveN (man those capitals look stupid), but importing one anywhere could be a struggle. |
And the ammunition is rare and expensive. |
Expensive? How much does 50 cartriges or a random calibur cost at, say, k-mart?
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| I hear good things about those 5.7mm rounds though. |
Yeah me too, like low recoil and exceptional accuracy. Plus the pistol is hella light!
| Toups wrote: |
| s it okay to believe in gun control and think guns are fucking awesome at the same time? |
hells yes _________________
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Ashura

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: Far East of Eden
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:49 pm |
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I think Richard Dean Anderson is one of those dudes who loves guns but believes in gun control. He said in some interview that he absolutely detests real guns with live fire, but loved any of the scenes where he'd run around in Stargate shooting blanks at things.
Something like that. If I'm miss-quoting The MacGyver, please correct me. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:35 pm |
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| falsedan wrote: |
| CubaLibre wrote: |
| falsedan wrote: |
| I am jonesing for an FN Five-seveN (man those capitals look stupid), but importing one anywhere could be a struggle. |
And the ammunition is rare and expensive. |
Expensive? How much does 50 cartriges or a random calibur cost at, say, k-mart? |
I mean, my point is you can't get the 5.7mm cartridges at K-Mart. The only weapons they fit are the Five-Seven and the P90 (I think), and it's not in a big chain's interest to stock such speciality ammo. Hence the expense. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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SplashBeats Guest
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:36 pm |
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| Mr. Business wrote: |
| EmX wrote: |
| What exactly is gun control's agenda anyways? |
Depends on which flavor you want. |
I'm of the "no felons and crazy people" flavor of gun control. I think it's a good agenda. |
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Toptube Anti-cabbage Party Candidate
Joined: 23 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:52 pm |
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I want a 9mm beretta.
they look cool
have a reputation of being a dependable gun.
and they hold a lot of bullets.
but it probably won't happen for awhile as owning a gun is not even close to a priority, and I'd have to keep in stored and registered in the armory anyways. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:04 pm |
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Beretta 92's are actually notoriously unreliable. Weak springs. Everyone in the military complained when we switched out from the 1911A to comply with NATO standards.
They do look very cool though and have a classic cache attached to their use in every John Woo movie ever.
But, if you want a "home defense" gun you're better off going for a .40 or a .45.
ALSO, the assault weapons ban mandates a maximum of a 10+1 clip size, so the advantage of the smaller 9mm round (more bullets) is completely negated. You'd have to get a pre-ban Beretta, which is admittedly not very hard at all (there are like bazillions of them) but is somewhat of a pain in the ass. More importantly, the assault weapons ban has expired recently so that restriction is temporarily lifted. I wouldn't expect it to last, though. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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Toptube Anti-cabbage Party Candidate
Joined: 23 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:33 pm |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
Beretta 92's are actually notoriously unreliable. Weak springs. Everyone in the military complained when we switched out from the 1911A to comply with NATO standards.
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oh really?
I also have always like the gun that james bond points at xenia onnatopp after he gets out of the indoor pool and finds her sneaking around.
if I were to get a 45, it'd be a desert eagle magnum, cuz, you know, resident evil 2. |
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internisus shafer sephiroth
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:20 pm |
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| Mister Toups wrote: |
| Broco wrote: |
Let's get this out of the way:
[insert rabid gun control troll post here] |
is it okay to believe in gun control and think guns are fucking awesome at the same time? |
That's my stance.
I've actually done a total 180 over the past five years regarding the prospects of my ever owning a gun. This is fully attributable to that scene in MGS3 where Eva gives Big Boss that beautifully customized M1911A1. I want that gun, and I want to disassemble it and look at how all the parts fit together, and then I want to pull the trigger on empty and hear the hammer go click. I just got a chubby. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:10 pm |
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| Toptube wrote: |
| CubaLibre wrote: |
Beretta 92's are actually notoriously unreliable. Weak springs. Everyone in the military complained when we switched out from the 1911A to comply with NATO standards.
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oh really?
I also have always like the gun that james bond points at xenia onnatopp after he gets out of the indoor pool and finds her sneaking around.
if I were to get a 45, it'd be a desert eagle magnum, cuz, you know, resident evil 2. |
Find me a picture and I can tell you what it is.
Also .45 rounds don't come in magnum loads. DEs come in .357 and .44 magnum (standard magnum calibers) and .50AE, a truly ridiculous round. I think they also have a .40 Cor-Bon or something weird like that.
The classic .45 autoloader is the Colt 1911A, the American WWII service pistol. Second only to the Beretta 92 in terms of seeing use in action movies. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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Krabjuice Gaiden Gaylord Butkus

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: FBI Headquarters basement ;_;
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:32 pm |
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Unless you live in america, I'm rather sure that the FN 57 is a rather prohibited firearm. Regardless, no variant of the P90 falls under any currently easily obtainable category. At least in Canada.
They'd make terrible match guns, anyways. Puny bullet = puny hole. Can't sneak 10's with .224 caliber holes. _________________ {V}_{^w^}_{V} |
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Toptube Anti-cabbage Party Candidate
Joined: 23 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:03 pm |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
Find me a picture and I can tell you what it is.
Also .45 rounds don't come in magnum loads. DEs come in .357 and .44 magnum (standard magnum calibers) and .50AE, a truly ridiculous round. I think they also have a .40 Cor-Bon or something weird like that.
The classic .45 autoloader is the Colt 1911A, the American WWII service pistol. Second only to the Beretta 92 in terms of seeing use in action movies. |
I'll take a screenshot from the dvd tonight and post it.
oh yeah ok, i'd get the desert eagle magnum, whatever .* it comes in : ), if I were to get a bigger handgun. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:47 pm |
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But since mine says, Desert Eagle,
point-five-oh,
that should precipitate your balls into shrinkin. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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internisus shafer sephiroth
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:00 pm |
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| Great flick. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:10 pm |
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For the curious: caliber is the circumference of the round, how big around it is if you're looking at it from the front. In other words, how big a hole it will make. If something is described as "x caliber," it is in inches. Hence, .50 caliber is a half-inch in circumference. Millimeters are the same thing. Therefore, you might say, "The caliber of this pistol is 9mm," but you would never say, "This pistol is 9mm caliber."
The word "magnum" refers to extra-large powder loads in the round, to give the bullet more velocity. Hence magnum rounds go through things easier. From a law enforcement (and home defense) perspective, this is actually bad, because your rounds have a much higher chance of going through your target and causing collateral damage. They're great for hunting though.
Of course, not all rounds are created equal. They may have slightly different shapes, firing pins, flanges, lengths, etc. If you walk into a gun store and want .45 caliber ammo, you're going to have probably six or seven standard kinds to choose from. What you want will depend on the weapon you're using and personal preference. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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km

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Minor character in a frame story
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:30 pm |
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Just for the record, the M1911 is sort of the father of all automatic pistols. All of them. _________________
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:42 pm |
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indeed
guess I killed this thread by being overtechnical
whoops
guys the FN-FAL is my favorite assault rifle _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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internisus shafer sephiroth
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:58 pm |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
indeed
guess I killed this thread by being overtechnica |
Oh no, I quite liked that post. |
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psiga saudade

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:45 am |
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One of my people told me to post this:
He also said:
"John Browning.
If you look at a chronological series of almost any type of gun
you'll see that the very instant a design changed from one doens't-work-all-that-well design to a much better looks-just-like-what-we-have-today design
Guess whose name is on it.
almost every gun Browning designed contains the phrase "the first successful <whatever>"
sometimes "commercially successful"
I'm serious. Watch this.
"The Colt-Browning M1895 was one of the first 'successful' gas operated machine guns designed by John Moses Browning."
"The Winchester Model 1887 and Winchester Model 1901 were lever-action shotguns originally designed by famed American gun designer John Browning and produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Considered the first truly successful repeating shotgun, the lever-action design was chosen at the behest of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, best known at the time as manufacturers of lever-action firearms such as the Winchester Rifle."
"The Model 1897 was an evolution of the Winchester Model 1893 designed by John Browning. It was the first truly successful pump-action shotgun produced. "
"The Browning Auto-5 was a recoil-operated autoloading shotgun designed by John Browning. It was the first successful autoloading shotgun ever produced." _________________

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psiga saudade

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:47 am |
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I am a shallow whore for the Strayer Voight Infinity.
(photo of airsoft version, if only because not enough awesome pictures of the real thing exist on the internets right now) _________________
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psiga saudade

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:51 am |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| ALSO, the assault weapons ban mandates a maximum of a 10+1 clip size, so the advantage of the smaller 9mm round (more bullets) is completely negated. You'd have to get a pre-ban Beretta... |
My guy says that you just need to get a pre-ban magazine, and not a whole pre-ban gun.
Also that the Caliber of a bullet is the diameter, not the circumference. _________________
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:35 pm |
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| psiga wrote: |
| CubaLibre wrote: |
| ALSO, the assault weapons ban mandates a maximum of a 10+1 clip size, so the advantage of the smaller 9mm round (more bullets) is completely negated. You'd have to get a pre-ban Beretta... |
My guy says that you just need to get a pre-ban magazine, and not a whole pre-ban gun. |
That is true.
| psiga wrote: |
| Also that the Caliber of a bullet is the diameter, not the circumference. |
That's what I meant.
damn you Euclid where are you when I need you
Also, if you want pictures of guns: http://www.securityarms.com _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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falsedan

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:11 pm |
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CubaLibre I am appreciating your technical knowledge ITT.
| Krabjuice wrote: |
| They'd make terrible match guns, anyways. Puny bullet = puny hole. Can't sneak 10's with .224 caliber holes. |
No need to sneak in 10s, those bad boys are accurate like a ninja (according to internets).
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:38 pm |
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God I love Thompsons.
Making me want to play CoD2 for serious _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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Krabjuice Gaiden Gaylord Butkus

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: FBI Headquarters basement ;_;
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:42 pm |
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| falsedan wrote: |
| No need to sneak in 10s, those bad boys are accurate like a ninja (according to internets). |
Only in CS _________________ {V}_{^w^}_{V} |
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haircute heteronormative jerk

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Topeka, KS
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:14 pm |
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I own a 12 gauge pump action Mossberg:
And I HAD a 9mm Smith & Wesson Model 59 but I sold it. It looked almost exactly like this one and I called it "The Sarge":
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Krazii Bakon Lypes the king of hernias
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| I want a gun that shoots out a flag with the word "bang" written on it. But the flag actually fires out of the barrel, so it is still lethal, thereby making irony the deadliest weapon of them all. |
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Hot Stott Bot banned
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:28 am |
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| Toptube wrote: |
| CubaLibre wrote: |
Beretta 92's are actually notoriously unreliable. Weak springs. Everyone in the military complained when we switched out from the 1911A to comply with NATO standards.
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oh really?
I also have always like the gun that james bond points at xenia onnatopp after he gets out of the indoor pool and finds her sneaking around.
if I were to get a 45, it'd be a desert eagle magnum, cuz, you know, resident evil 2 snatch. |
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