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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: Lower Fiction    Reply with quote

Fiction I read tends to be either recognized as classic or otherwise, for lack of a better word, philosophical in nature. Stuff like Nausea or Lucky Wander Boy, for instance. It's been years since I've gone in for a thriller or a suspense or a mystery or a fantasy. In fact, all I can really remember of this set are The Relic by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child and Dragons of Autumn Twilight by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman (as well as the two other books that followed it). I particularly remember enjoying The Relic. I don't really know if it's considered a good read or not, but I had a good time with it.

I'm just looking for some fiction recommendations that aren't Marukami or Borges, you know? Fantasy, sci-fi, horror, mystery, whatever. Bruce Coville for grown-ups, maybe. I know you're a diverse and experience bunch. Post about whatever books you might be embarrassed to bring up in the real lit thread.

Maybe I should try Harry Potter. =(
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:07 am        Reply with quote

No, don't submit. Harry Potter is shit.

I've heard good things about the Ice & Fire fantasy series, though I haven't read it myself. Too grim. If you want mystery, head for Agatha Christie. Sci-fi there's always Asimov. The Foundation series is as close to classic stuff as the genre gets really. More modern there's Ender's Game. There's also magazines like Fantasy & Science Fiction, but the stories tend to be hit or miss.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:13 am        Reply with quote

By Ice & Fire do you mean Song of Ice and Fire? Because it seems like someone is always recommending that series.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:14 am        Reply with quote

read infinite jest by dave foster wallace
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:24 am        Reply with quote

just read whatever the fuck you want god

why would it even matter what other people think of what you read

basically die
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:25 am        Reply with quote

oh and i had fun with murakami's last book
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:34 am        Reply with quote

Mr. Apol wrote:
just read whatever the fuck you want god

why would it even matter what other people think of what you read

basically die


lol?

i want to make sure i don't waste my time on something that's not that great. obviously?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:43 am        Reply with quote

For somewhat "lighter" fiction, I picked up The Russian Debutante's Handbook by Gary Shteyngart based on a recommendation from a professor and it was extremely enjoyable. Lots of Jewish self-deprecating humor, poking fun at self-labeled expat bohemians, that kind of thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:26 am        Reply with quote

Hey. HEY. Intern. Listen. Seriously.

You deeply want the Kane Trilogy, you're just not aware of it yet.

Now you are.

They are a trilogy of books by Karl E. Wagner (i.e. this guy), and are fucking awesome.

Get:

Bloodstone ('75)
Dark Crusade ('76)
Darkness Weaves ('78, good luck finding it)

There are a couple anthology works that have all three bound in hardcover; these are actually cheaper and easier to find than the individual softcovers. Difference is they're on shitty paper. Who cares? You can still read them just fine, and you save $30 and a lot of headache. Get them.

This guy is the blackest of black sheep for awesome fantasy stories, and is referenced in fiction literature the same way mainstream musicians reference early Velvet Underground.

It's amazing stuff. Changed my perception of fantasy literature entirely.

Thank me later.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:49 pm        Reply with quote

Aaron wrote:
I've heard good things about the Ice & Fire fantasy series, though I haven't read it myself. Too grim.

They're not that grim. Usually. I just wouldn't get too attached to many of the main characters. And the fourth book is the biggest "setup-for-later-volumes" book I've read in a while. Being Epic Fantasy, the odds of actually seeing the next volume anytime soon are probably quite low, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:11 pm        Reply with quote

I just picked up Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. It's pretty good so far! Libertarian revolution on a lunar penal colony, sentient computers, etc. It's written in a weird style (sort of clipped, like it's missing certain parts of speech), but you should be able to get used to it.

Otherwise I recommend Murakami. Lots.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:16 pm        Reply with quote

slipstream wrote:
read infinite jest by dave foster wallace


fuck just read pynchon.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:44 pm        Reply with quote

I really liked reading the Emperor series by Conn Igulden. It's interesting historical fiction about the life of Julius Caesar. It's like Harry Potter for well educated private school boys. I suggest Death of Kings (book 2) because it's pretty exciting, but Gates of Rome (book 1) is a good starting point, too.

If you want something that's less fiction and more just interesting stuff to read: Sex Drugs & Cocoa Puffs by Chuck Klosterman is pretty popular; Robert Greene's books 48 Laws of Power (The Prince for us paupers), Art of Seduction, and 33 Strategies of War (rappers love this book); Tucker Max is pretty fucking awesome for light reading; and Please Kill Me by Leggs McNeil and Gillian McCain is the best book suggested by anyone in this entire thread. I really, really can't stress how fun of a read Please Kill Me is. I will even link you to the Amazon page right here.

Also, all of you "just read what you want" snobs are being huge douchebags. He's asking for your opinion on what you like. That's why we all came to IC/SB in the first place: to read opinions. Don't be assholes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:47 pm        Reply with quote

Oh yeah. The Game by Neil Strauss. If Vince Vaughn was writing books...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:21 pm        Reply with quote

For Christ's sake, Hyperion by Dan Simmons.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:47 pm        Reply with quote

random dumb sci-fi suggestion: Rats Bats & Vats by David Freer and Eric Flint

too lazy to describe the plot so here's a review I plagiarized from Amazon:
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A human colony is invaded and mankind, on taking the advice of another race of aliens, tries to use world-war one-like tactics, which fail totally. The human forces are full of soldiers made up from humans grown in vats (who are treated like second-class subjects), uplifted rats who act more like drunk soldiers out of Shakespeare's plays and bats with Irish accents who like to use bombs while singing songs. Lots of humor and combat. DON'T take it too seriously, just ENJOY.


I had fun with it! Lots of little jabs at the cliches of this "alien shoot em up" genre of fiction, but it's not like over the top 'Hitchhiker' chaos.


AND HARRY POTTER LOL. I know everyone here spits on anything popular but maybe you could try the first book at least, see if it appeals to you. no obligation to read the rest (everyone on the internet will spoil for you how it ends within a few weeks anyway)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:07 pm        Reply with quote

I never got into Science Fiction. Or fantasy. fiction? I know I want to read Tolkien, eventually, and I have a copy of Neuromancer right next to me, but... it's just so hard. The one sci fi book I did read was Starship Troopers. It made me want to enlist.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:57 pm        Reply with quote

You can never go wrong with Asimov or most Heinlein. Hell, most Golden Age sci-fi is good.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:29 pm        Reply with quote

Read Philip José Farmer, everything else is crap.


I also recommend the Flashman Papers, though they are neither fantasy nor sci fi.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:01 pm        Reply with quote

Let's see here,

If you know a little bit about Ayn Rand then the Sword of Truth books can be a well written (that is to say, easy to read) laugh riot. Though I think I might be the only one who draws that much enjoyment from something like that.

In terms of books where you don't have to be familiar with outdated, rigid philosophies to enjoy, I really like series done by Eddings. They're enjoyable fantasy, and they don't really try to do more than tell an enjoyable story with interesting characters. They may also be the best at writing epic fantasy, because they actually end it at reasonable points. On the other hand, you really only need to read one of their series, as they're pretty much a one trick pony and recycle the basic ideas and characters in each series. I'd recommend the Belgariad if you wanted to read them.

Boy, embarassing fantasy/sci fi? That goes to Elric. God it always feels so shameful to admit that I liked those books, and I'm afraid to go back and read them again on the possibility that I'll still like them. It's pretty much an anti-hero story exploring the differences between order and chaos, good and evil, wrapped up in a Goth wrapper, complete with a 6 foot sentient black sword that eats souls and almost invariably kills the main character's friends. If I was at home I'd find a picture for you that would make me hang my head further in shame. But the author's name is Moorcock, so he gets 80's hair metal points for that.

The only off-the-beaten-path science fiction series you probably haven't already heard of that I can point to that I've read is The War Against the Chtorr. And I really can't recommend that. It can be interesting, but it can be incredibly akward/just plain wrong.

Also Ender's Game is fun, but stop there, don't peruse the other books. With the possible exceptions of the "Shadow of" series.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:02 pm        Reply with quote

Adilegian wrote:
For Christ's sake, Hyperion by Dan Simmons.

Do not under any circumstances read anything by Simmons.

Echoing others on the whole Asmiov, Clarke, Heinlein thing.

Neuromancer by Gibson is great. Snow Crash is a fun read.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:14 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
Do not under any circumstances read anything by Simmons.

I don't know about Ilium, but have you read Hyperion? That and Fall of Hyperion are great stories.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:28 pm        Reply with quote

Adilegian wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
Do not under any circumstances read anything by Simmons.

I don't know about Ilium, but have you read Hyperion? That and Fall of Hyperion are great stories.

I fully admit that I have only read Ilium/Olympos and that has forever soured me on Simmons' potential to do anything.

Adilegian might be right though, don't let me stop you from reading Hyperion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:57 pm        Reply with quote

I have been reading some of the Iain Banks Culture books, and they are pretty decent. Thanks Halo.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:07 pm        Reply with quote

Man, Wheel of Time.

Yeah.

I'm finishing Tad Williams' Otherland - Sea of Silver Light. I've enjoyed it quite a bit.

Goose, The Sword of Truth is probably one of the funniest fantasy stories I've barely read.

I'm going to get around to reading A Song of Ice and Fire at some point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:28 pm        Reply with quote

Touran wrote:
Man, Wheel of Time.

lol

Not as bad as the Eddings brothers' shit, but damn. And I have read some awful fantasy in my day.

Song of Ice and Fire is probably the best ongoing fantasy series today.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:29 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
Adilegian wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
Do not under any circumstances read anything by Simmons.

I don't know about Ilium, but have you read Hyperion? That and Fall of Hyperion are great stories.

I fully admit that I have only read Ilium/Olympos and that has forever soured me on Simmons' potential to do anything.

Adilegian might be right though, don't let me stop you from reading Hyperion.


Simmons is a great writer, he is simply incapable of writing an ending. He has good concepts and has a very practical writing style, but only one of his books I've read had a satisfying conclusion (Fall of Hyperion). His most recent book, The Terror, is wonderful.

Ice and Fire is alright. It's a good story, but Martin can only write one or two of the characters. I would not even consider reading it until all of the books are out, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:33 pm        Reply with quote

I read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" 10+ years ago and recall greatly enjoying that one in particular. Harry Potter is excellent lower fiction so if you want something good to read before bed, it's almost perfect.

On the flipside, the best book I could find in an airport bookstore was a Tom Clancy novel and oh my god stay away from that stuff. You might be thinking, "I liked Rainbow Six the videogame, perhaps this novel will portray a sense of action and adventure as the videogame does" but you would be so wrong for thinking that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:39 pm        Reply with quote

thatbox wrote:
Touran wrote:
Man, Wheel of Time.

lol

Not as bad as the Eddings brothers' shit, but damn. And I have read some awful fantasy in my day.

Song of Ice and Fire is probably the best ongoing fantasy series today.


Except for your laughing at the Wheel of Time, I mostly disagree with you. But I just wanted to point out that the Eddings are, or rather were, a husband and wife, rather than brothers. Unless you're talking about some other Eddings.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:44 pm        Reply with quote

Predator Goose wrote:
thatbox wrote:
Touran wrote:
Man, Wheel of Time.

lol

Not as bad as the Eddings brothers' shit, but damn. And I have read some awful fantasy in my day.

Song of Ice and Fire is probably the best ongoing fantasy series today.


Except for your laughing at the Wheel of Time, I mostly disagree with you. But I just wanted to point out that the Eddings are, or rather were, a husband and wife, rather than brothers. Unless you're talking about some other Eddings.

You have exposed my gender assumptions about the names David and Leigh and also my contempt for them as writers :(
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:53 pm        Reply with quote

Read Farmer Thatbox.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:00 pm        Reply with quote

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Read Farmer Thatbox.

Maybe I will! Got to finish Against the Day and Fragile Things, first.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:03 pm        Reply with quote

OH MY GOD I can't believe I forgot to mention Philip K. Dick in this thread.

A Scanner Darkly, The Man in the High Castle and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are all really good, as is VALIS, which I haven't finished. He was a great author in that he wrote literature that blurred the genre line between sci-fi and general fiction. Also very philosophical.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:22 pm        Reply with quote

Touran wrote:
I'm finishing Tad Williams' Otherland - Sea of Silver Light. I've enjoyed it quite a bit.


yeah, Otherland is pretty great. It can get pretty silly at times - especially near the end of the final book - but it's pretty much a great read all the way through, and probably the only actual big, thick book series I feel like returning to now that my attention span is shot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:26 pm        Reply with quote

A Feast Unknown is an under appreciated classic of western literature.

Night of Light and Flesh are also worth a read.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:38 pm        Reply with quote

Baron Patsy wrote:
You can never go wrong with Asimov or most Heinlein. Hell, most Golden Age sci-fi is good.

eugh starship troopers
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:43 pm        Reply with quote

is great!

I'm sure that's how you meant to finish that sentence
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no, the novel is laughable on every level
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:55 pm        Reply with quote

Well now you are just confusing me!

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If you want something that's less fiction and more just interesting stuff to read: Sex Drugs & Cocoa Puffs by Chuck Klosterman is pretty popular; Robert Greene's books 48 Laws of Power (The Prince for us paupers), Art of Seduction, and 33 Strategies of War (rappers love this book); Tucker Max is pretty fucking awesome for light reading; and Please Kill Me by Leggs McNeil and Gillian McCain is the best book suggested by anyone in this entire thread. I really, really can't stress how fun of a read Please Kill Me is. I will even link you to the Amazon page right here.


I don't really like punk. =(

dmauro wrote:
On the flipside, the best book I could find in an airport bookstore was a Tom Clancy novel and oh my god stay away from that stuff. You might be thinking, "I liked Rainbow Six the videogame, perhaps this novel will portray a sense of action and adventure as the videogame does" but you would be so wrong for thinking that.


That's a shame, because a decent book with guns and black ops shit could be really fun for me right now. Like a really good Metal Gear book, you know?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:03 pm        Reply with quote

Please Kill Me is a pretty annoying read. Richard Hell and Iggy Pop make it worthwhile, but most everything else only served to make the music I like seem questionable.

A Feast Unknown is better.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:18 pm        Reply with quote

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Please Kill Me is a pretty annoying read. Richard Hell and Iggy Pop make it worthwhile, but most everything else only served to make the music I like seem questionable.


It made punk make sense to me, so, yeah, that's why I liked it. Also, the narrative style made me feel like I was getting drunk with old rockstars.
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