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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Does anyone play Magic cards?    Reply with quote

I never did as a kid, everyone else did. However, in some sort of reverse timeline, no one I know plays them anymore and I'm just now getting kind of heavily into it.

This shit is... pretty fucking fun. Draft? So good.

So yeah, Magic Cards. Anybody around here give a shit? I need Tarmogoyfs if you've got em.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:13 am        Reply with quote

I used to play real seriously, even won some tournaments. But now, nope. I just found myself spending more money on it than I wanted to. In the end I sold off most of my cards for petty cash, and now the only time I play is when I can borrow decks from other players. It's a fun game, and certainly interesting, but card games have never really been my cup of tea.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:31 am        Reply with quote

A friend of mine spent summer '05 studying in China, and apparently all he did with the other guys there was play Magic. So after not having played since fifth grade, I started playing again at his urging just after Ravnica was released. I went to a couple release things with him, got involved in a couple drafts at school, and spent far too much time and money on the cards... and I realized that I'd rather spend my leisure time and money on video games, so I stopped playing Magic after a couple months. Probably for good.

I've always really liked the artwork on the cards. I had some pretty nasty looking beasties in my deck.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:37 am        Reply with quote

Let's just say that I used to be Very Good at Magic.

We'll leave it at that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:41 am        Reply with quote

My favorite card artwork was always the Lightning Bolt.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:35 pm        Reply with quote

How does one spend a lot of money on this game?

It's just cards.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:10 pm        Reply with quote

google wrote:
How does one spend a lot of money on this game?

It's just cards.


you do not have The Heart of the Cards!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:13 pm        Reply with quote

They are expensive cards!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:33 pm        Reply with quote

I still have my cards somewhere...should probably sell them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:05 pm        Reply with quote

yellowoystercult wrote:
They are expensive cards!


Yeah, but like, even if you bought every card...how much would that be, $400?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:14 pm        Reply with quote

google wrote:
yellowoystercult wrote:
They are expensive cards!


Yeah, but like, even if you bought every card...how much would that be, $400?


Lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:43 pm        Reply with quote

Mr Mustache wrote:
google wrote:
yellowoystercult wrote:
They are expensive cards!


Yeah, but like, even if you bought every card...how much would that be, $400?


Lol.


$420?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:45 pm        Reply with quote

google wrote:
Mr Mustache wrote:
google wrote:
yellowoystercult wrote:
They are expensive cards!


Yeah, but like, even if you bought every card...how much would that be, $400?


Lol.


$420?


There are single cards, google, that are worth more than $500.

An entire set of the first edition goes for around $20,000, roughly. That's just a single copy of each card in the set.

There are 9 editions of cards now, as well as many expansions (probably around 40-50). A set of all the cards would probably come close to $200,000 in value right now, probably more.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:51 pm        Reply with quote

That is absolutley retarded.

But fair play to them!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:03 pm        Reply with quote

I'm waiting for the first edition to go down in price, just like a PS3
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:13 pm        Reply with quote

I know I shouldn't, but I'm still playing godamned TCGs to this date.

Opening those sealed packs is like taking that first drag off of a cigarette, after not smoking for a month.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:52 pm        Reply with quote

Cryo wrote:
I know I shouldn't, but I'm still playing godamned TCGs to this date.

Opening those sealed packs is like taking that first drag off of a cigarette, after not smoking for a month.


Okay... but what I just found out yesterday is that first drag off a cigarette after not smoking for a month tastes fucking horrible.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:09 pm        Reply with quote

I played in high school, but eventually traded most of my cards that were worth anything for SNES games. About ten years later, I introduced a friend to the game and bought some of the newer cards. Soon after that, I discovered that several people I work with have immense collections. We all started playing again on our lunch breaks, and we still do.

In fact, I've recently been tempted to stop by a store on my way home from work one day and get some of those new 10th edition cards. I usually get just a couple cards from each new set individually if I think they'll work well in one of my decks. My last such purchase was four of these



and two of these



I've never been to a tournament or anything--I think the type of decks that do well in tournaments are boring.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:10 pm        Reply with quote

My avatar is a Magic card. I sometimes play with my fiancee. I use a blue and green deck that either totally sucks or totally kicks ass.

There really seems to be no in-between for me. I think I should edit it a bit more.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:28 am        Reply with quote

Yeah I played Magic with a blue-green deck when I was like 11 years old and it was a pretty new thing. I stopped when most of my cards got stolen. Too expensive and the fad was dying down such that only the dorks kept playing. I'm surprised the game isn't dead yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:01 am        Reply with quote

I always wanted to play a Black-Blue discard deck, but could never get the funds behind the idea.
I played a Mercenaries deck for a while.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:28 am        Reply with quote

wourme wrote:
I played in high school, but eventually traded most of my cards that were worth anything for SNES games. About ten years later, I introduced a friend to the game and bought some of the newer cards. Soon after that, I discovered that several people I work with have immense collections. We all started playing again on our lunch breaks, and we still do.


Yeah I've found that people will forget about magic, then some dude will bring some cards to work or something just for kicks, then all of a sudden everyone there will revile how they used to play magic and still have their cards. It's crazy.

I often think about how many people I've who I didn't think played Magic at all used to in some form time and that they rarely ever get rid of them. I imagine myself going to some random place with a friend as tons of people walk around. We'd start playing magic and then I'd bet like 30% of the people who walk past would start talking about how they used to play that game and what their decks are like.

I play casually now and only got 2 decks.

Black/ Green Zombie deck

And a White Black deck of my own strategy thats pretty creative I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:10 am        Reply with quote

Guys I came in second today at a tournament. I have a mono black deck which is all nutty and retarded.

I won four packs, I'm a fucking champ.

Still need those Tarmogoyfs. I've got two, a playset sells for like $70. This gay kid I know said he might trade em to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:25 am        Reply with quote

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This gay kid I know said he might trade em to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:10 am        Reply with quote

This is probably the best time to ask: are any of the various Magic the Gathering video games any good, regardless of their type?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:21 am        Reply with quote

The love between ROCK AND TERRY is the most pure fucking brotherly shit ever. Don't mess with that.

Tim is awesome though, best gay kid that comes in and forces me to trade pokemon back and forth for an hour so his Haunter can evolve ever.

The Magic video games? I don't know, I think someone liked Battlegrounds. They made some retarded pc game some kid was telling me was insanely easy to break (The final boss has 250 life, so you just play a mill deck I think and win).

Magic Online is fucking POISON and will addict you if you give even half a shit about playing Magic cards once in a while. Don't.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:25 am        Reply with quote

Broco wrote:
I'm surprised the game isn't dead yet.

It's a really good game!

I mean, ok. I haven't bought cards since the middle of high school, but my friends and I still play drafts regularly just by mixing old cards together and making packs out of them. I can't think of any other game with as much depth, character or inherent variations. It also has some of the best player/developer feedback I've ever seen in a game - and hell, just little things like Mark Rosewater's weekly column over at mtg.com are consistently fascinating. Sure, it's easy to have a bad first experience when you're fucking eleven and think it's a retarded fad, but it's a damn, damn good game and it's no surprise that people have been playing it for over a decade now, in my opinion, even if wizards' electronic division is hilariously incompetent. That answers your question DAIS, by the way. There's basically no good magic computer game, although Magic Workstation is decent.

Also Yu-Gi-Oh may have Gradius references, but it doesn't do anything interesting with them! Also the fact that the Vic Viper card is named "Gradius" in the US is kind of hilarious.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:32 am        Reply with quote

Deets wrote:
That answers your question DAIS, by the way. There's basically no good magic computer game, although Magic Workstation is decent.


It's no Apprentice, but it's all we've got, these days. Unless you fools are as addicted to MTGO as I am--it's the ONLY way to play Momir BASIC without enormous fucking charts and dice.

I brought eight or nine decks to KE3 but it didn't look like anybody else played, so I never took 'em out.

Next week I'm going to drag some of you into IRC so we can schedule a game over the Workstation. (This is funny because I never, ever get on IRC otherwise.)

(I'm about twelve cards short of a complete collection of Alliances, although I'm no longer really interested in the search. Since I got back into the game at the end of Kamigawa block, I buy a box of boosters every time a new expansion comes out--they're only $72 at a local hobby shop--although I can never resist the fatpacks or incidental boosters and drafts during the intervening time.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:36 am        Reply with quote

Man IW there is a lot of jargon in there.

I guess it can't be helped?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:42 am        Reply with quote

Deets, it is the cant by which we who play recognize one another. There's also the issue that, when you devote a chunk of your paycheck to the pursuit of a hobby which revolves around a single ever-shifting game for almost 15 years, yeah, your vocabulary tends to specialize a bit.

You know how sometimes a bunch of your friends will get into a game that you don't play, and they're kind of insufferable about how into it they are, because it's something to bond over? My friends do that with World of Warcraft, for example. Well, Magic: the Gathering is kind of like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:03 pm        Reply with quote

google wrote:
That is absolutley retarded.

Indeed it is.
Wizards will never reprint the Black lotuses because they will lose value in the secondary market.
Stupid collector bullshit getting in the way of the game.

I used to play a lot, but I've been out of the loop for several years now. It would take a bit to get used to the new cards.

Since my favorite format was Vintage/Type 1 I mainly played online through Apprentice.

I don't care much for the competitive aspect but in the Apprentice community you were somehow forced to have a good deck if you wanted to win.
Also my IRL friends who played at the time were somehow afraid of EPIC MULTIPLAYER CHAOS DEATHMATCHES so I never got the chance to experiment with these.

I had the idea to make a program like Apprentice, but better, with support for multiplayer and such. I abandoned that idea with my enthusiasm for the game.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:22 pm        Reply with quote

I stopped playing after high school, but I had some good times from Revised up to...what was it called? Urza's Saga? I rolled Wildfire and it was always fun when the deck clicked and I blew up a bunch of cards.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:21 pm        Reply with quote

Flackon wrote:
google wrote:
That is absolutley retarded.

Indeed it is.
Wizards will never reprint the Black lotuses because they will lose value in the secondary market.

This ignores the fact that Black Lotus is insanely broken and format-warping. Wizards reprints cards all the damn time, but they're not going to reprint something that will ruin just about any format it's put into. The secondary market issue is just common sense for a manufacturer of a collectible product.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:37 pm        Reply with quote

I still have all my cards; however, I can't really play them because there's too much of an imbalance in terms of taking premade decks and playing them against somebody else -- inevitably, somebody's spent enough money on their decks or enough time at a place like the Magic Dojo that their decks are that much better than the other person and then it becomes this arms race based on money spent*.

Which is why draft and sealed deck are the only formats that I play anymore. A college friend had a gigantic collection of cards and one day we finally sat down and entered them into a database and then used that to generate random lots of cards for sealed deck games without having to buy new cards, then added random lots for drafting after each round of play. It was really the best way to determine both who had the best deck-building and match-playing skills, since everybody was working with similar and random resources. Unfortunately, he's moved away since then.

* - Admittedly part of this problem is of my own creation because I'm usually more interested in making decks that are horribly inefficient yet have a lot of personality. I have a mono-white deck that I fondly think of as The Most Annoying Deck in the World that's designed to win by making the other person run out of cards. It has so many holes; it's so gratifying when it works though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:45 pm        Reply with quote

I've always wanted to learn how to play one of these games, but I've never known anyone who was into it enough to show me how it was done. How would one go about getting into either Magic or another game of that type?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:54 pm        Reply with quote

Man, the same thing was said about Black Lotuses when I played, and then Blizzard reprinted them.

Yeah, I played for a bit of time between Dark Something or other up till after Ice Age, then just didn't have them money, time, or other people to keep up with it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:01 pm        Reply with quote

Baron Patsy wrote:
I've always wanted to learn how to play one of these games, but I've never known anyone who was into it enough to show me how it was done. How would one go about getting into either Magic or another game of that type?


Didn't you go to a gaming store and have some guy play a 40K game with you? Pretty much the same thing happens with Magic or other CRPGs, there's usually a schedule on a corkboard or something that denotes whether they have a "Magic night" or some such. All the dudes who come to that on a weekly basis are going to be more than happy to show you what's up.

Or, convince a bunch of your friends to do it and buy a starter deck and some booster packs and just start playing with each other. This is probably a much better way to do it, it would also require you to have some decent friends who are nerdy enough to let you talk them into it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:06 pm        Reply with quote

Better yet, find some people who play at lunch (or in the morning) and attempt to get in on it. Ask to borrow a deck.

Say something like "Pennin's aura" or "Rebel deck" and they'll think you're one of them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:50 am        Reply with quote

Vehicular Manslaughter wrote:
...and then it becomes this arms race based on money spent*.

Which is why draft and sealed deck are the only formats that I play anymore.


To be fair, there are often good decks that use a minimum of money cards. A good example of this is the Virilent Sliver aggro deck being passed around lately (it wins with poison counters!? what?!).

Admittedly, the best decks often have a decent assortment of choicey rares (Tarmogoyf goes for like $15 right now, my deck has probably $100+ worth of rares in it between the four Korlash and four Damnation that I traded for) but eh. If you want a card game where the rares are often the worst cards in the pack, try UFS. That game is some weird unbalanced janky fun.

But yes, sealed is the best format. I mostly just play constructed to win some packs once in awhile.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:44 am        Reply with quote

One of my favorite formats to play is the no-rare or no-uncommon/rare format.

Basically it requires a lot more strategy when you can't use some of the most powerful cards in the game, plus you can actually afford to make a deck, since commons are extremely cheap.

White/Blue control decks do tend to dominate these formats though, because they've got lots of common/uncommon control cards. Red does well from bursting--especially if it's got Isochron's, though they're usually banned in most non-standard formats. Indestructibles are popular in the format too, since they're really hard to get off the board.

That being said, I like to play Pure Green or Green/White Overgrowth decks. Spores/Rancor = Win. Or of course there's the ever-popular Spirit Link (or the newer, meaner version, though I can't remember its name).
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