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| What should we do with the drunken sailor (VC)? |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Goddamn the Virtual Console (again) |
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Lick Meth, I've felt exactly like you do for a long time now. In fact, here are my spot-on assessments of Virtual Console a full two months before the Wii even came out!
Thank you IC Forum Archive!
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| Lick Meth wrote: |
| What happened, Nintendo? |
What happened is exactly what people should have expected from Nintendo.
For some strange reason, when Nintendo is mentioned, people seem to run wild with their dreams of fancy. Fans run potential to its ends, even though Nintendo never delivers on its potential. Nintendo's design philosophy pretty much guarantees that they cannot deliver on their own potential.
Like English-release Sin & Punishment. Or $100-$150 Wii at launch. Or that Wii Sports would be a collection of high quality games, and the motion sensing would be so amazingly handled that you couldn't just throw a fast ball by making a quick jab with the controller.
It isn't even like Nintendo wasn't showing itself true to its nature in advance, with things like the early VC offering list (which showed key expected titles missing and showed sometimes strangely different releases for different countries). |
This is a great point. But remember, a year before it came out, and really only until a few months right before launch, Nintendo continuously made proclamations that the Wii would house every game created by man, and when they weren't they were happy to let everyone think this was going to be a massive i-Tunes like service. I had a cynical view on Nintendo and kept thinking the other shoe would drop, but the way they talked about it made it seem like they knew exactly what they were doing and everything would be just as good as they wanted us to think it would be.
What bothers me is how no one seems to be calling them on this. The one defense is "hey man, you're lucky to be able to play these at all, BACK THE FUCK OFF!" Never mind that there are competitors, even if they lack the warm fuzy brand-recognition of Nintendo. And as much as I hate the PS3, there has been very little hype on its own virtual game service or the selection available to it. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:06 am |
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| Broco wrote: |
Legal issues guys, legal issues. Nintendo doesn't own third-party games and it needs to relicense them more or less one by one. It's impossible for them to offer thousands of games and there's no point in ragging on them for it.
Outside of the slim hope that copyright term limits are reformed, the best preserver of gaming history is and will continue to be free emulators and illegal romsets. That's the reality under our draconian copyright laws. |
Look at GameTap's selection. They had most of the Sega games available to them from day one. Do you really think Sega and other companies don't want to release as many VC games as possible as soon as possible? Consider Konami, who has just now been able to release one game. They'd probably would be happy to let their whole back catalog compete with whatever else was on VC from day one.
Nintendo has made a deliberate choice to limit the selection on VC, either that or their licensing is so shitty they're having a hard time to get companies to sell their games when Nintendo themselves would be making so much money from each sale. Either way its Nintendo's fault, so I say we rag away! |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:24 am |
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| Give me a fucking break. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:30 am |
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| Ok, thats a good point. I voted to tear it down but it was mostly because it was the only vote against the current way VC is. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:49 pm |
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| Mister Toups wrote: |
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| Nintendo continuously made proclamations that the Wii would house every game created by man, |
I don't ever recall this happening. The only quote I've seen that might be interpreted this way is that the VC would be "backwards compatible all the way to the NES" (paraphrasing, obviously). Immediately people assumed that this meant that every NES and SNES game would be available at launch -- and immediately again more level-headed people countered by saying that it's far more likely that they'd release a few at a time, much like they are doing now. People also were assuming (very briefly) that the games would be available for download for FREE, which was pretty widespread until a Nintendo rep had to make an official statement denying that. |
Okay, I did a Google search for about an hour and couldn't find much of anything. I'm not good at searching for quotes and don't have a Lexus-Nexis hookup, so I have to give it to you there. What I was referring to was the post E3 2005 sentiment that the Revolution would have tons of games available from launch. I wouldn't trust my memory, but didn't Nintendo say something about how the Revolution would have a huge library at launch thanks to the VC alone? And before they showed the controller, the Revolution had nothing going for it at all besides the Virtual Console. I think it was logical reasoning on most people's part to think that Nintendo would provide a huge or decent library from the start. Even if Nintendo never flat out lied about this they helped spin it. I remember EGM doing some interview with Miyamoto and asking what his three favorite Virtual Console era titles he made were. He didn't say "The three ones I'll make available at launch, silly!" It would be interesting to see how many Virtual Console hype articles were in Nintendo Power back then which contributed to the meme that you'd be able to buy a Wii and immedietly have access to all the old Nintendo system games you wish you'd never gotten rid of. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:02 pm |
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| Mister Toups wrote: |
| That was over 2 years ago. And we've known since E3 this year that it would work this way. |
Actually, E3 2005 was less than two years ago, but that's picking nits. I don't think any informed person who bought a Wii has a right to say Nintendo lied to them but the service is a dissapointment compared to what we were expecting a year ago. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:06 pm |
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| How long could the "average" European VC user be ignorant about this though? I'd think the internet and word of mouth would inform them pretty fast, even if they weren't normally obsessed about such details like we are. |
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