[BalbanesBeoulve]

Guys, this thread is bait to get DeusJester to start posting again.




Also I recently started playing it again. I got my Warlock to level 57, but I doubt I'll get him to 60. I'm gonna make a draenei on one of the new servers as soon as Burning Crusade comes out, so there's really no point. I want to start fresh on a server where everybody else is starting over too. It kind of sucks that I missed out on a lot of what wow had to offer. I might still end up doing scholomance and stratholme and dire maul a few times as I level up my new character, but nobody's going to do the old 20 and 40 man raids anymore. There's no point. Apparently even the normal green gear you get from ordinary quests competes with the top Tier 3 epic stuff. once people are doing the new 25 man level 70 raids, nobody's going to go back to the level 60 raids.

Who else is still playing? Is anybody coming back for the burning crusade?

[skelethulu]

I intend to start up a new character when the expansion drops, whenever that happens. For now, I'm just levelling alts on various servers, but my heart isn't in it as it may once have been. I keep wishing it were Final Fantasy XII.

[Zebadayus]

Well, my current character (Bobwhyte, level 56 gnome warrior, Venture Co. server), I had planned to get to 60 by the expansion.

I haven't played in a couple weeks because of working so much, and now that the hours at work have died down (Amazon Christmas rush over), I've been playing Zelda.

Not planning to play again until Zelda is done with.

I'm planning to make a Dranei, though! I would also still like to continue with my gnome.

May play as a Blood elf after the expansion has been out for a while. I'm really not looking forward to playing with all the animu chicks. The female gnomes and night elves have done enough to attract them.

[BalbanesBeoulve]

[Perseus]

[BalbanesBeoulve]

FFXII? You should be done with that in about a month, tops.

[catch phrase]

I'm planning on coming back for the expansion, just to see if it makes the game any more fun to play.

[BalbanesBeoulve]

So would anyone like to start over on a new server?

I think Draenei are way more interesting than Blood Elf, and I'm a carebear who doesn't think getting ganked is fun. We could roll Alliance on a PVE server.

[Zebadayus]

[catch phrase]

[Zebadayus]

Well yeah, who you play with and how you all play pretty much decides the fun factor for the game.

[bort]

Blizzard missed their chance to have you play as these guys:


If they would've let me play as pruny green geriatrics I would have started playing again in a second but instead Draenei are big and blue and shiny or whatever (and also the females are human/nightelf female pallete-swaps just with weird ears). So yeah screw them I'm never playing this game again gg blizzard wtg (or whatever warcraft people say).

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Well if they would have put those ugly fugs in, they might have helped their goal of shifting more of the population over to the horde now that they have a pretty race. But the Draenei are fucking awesome, and way cooler than the Blood Elves and even the females are cuter, so they've failed at that mission. The Alliance is going to outnumber the horde 2 to 1 for a long while yet.

If they really want to balance things out they should give the horde pandaren and the alliance something lame like goblins.

[Zebadayus]

Dude, I've been waiting for goblins since the game came out. Screw you.

'sides, goblins will probably belong to both sides once they're available (I believe Blizzard has stated they will be playable in a future expansion).

Pandarin would be the shiznit, though.

[BalbanesBeoulve]

I was thinking how awesome it'd be if for the next expansion they put in Goblins and Pandaren as neutral races that could either communicate and party with both, or they would make you pick a side, and later on allow you to some quest to switch sides.

It would make sense, lorewise.

[Zebadayus]

And then everybody would end up playing as them, and there'd be no more war(craft).

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Only if they made female pandaren hot.

[Zebadayus]

[BEIGE]

I am down with this.

I have a 60 horde warrior on Turalyon, and a 60 paladin on Dark Iron, pimped out with T2 gear, rims, spoilers, all that.

But I'm up for a change!

[haircute]

I would play with you guys but my highest chara is a 34 Human Rogue and my second highest is a 24 tauren druid.

Plus...I keep wierd hours so I always end up playing alone.
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[BotageL]

I know I'll probably end up playing this again when the expansion comes out, even though I want to stay clean.

Let's all roll Blood Elves so I can listen to Cam Clarke all day.
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[Ben Reed]

I hav a 60 Warrior and 60 Warlock on Illidan Alliance, but I'll be glad to fuck around a bit leveling lowbie toons or something. I'm sure I can teach you rookies a thing or two about being a BLOOD ELF PALADIN WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD...or maybe the old standby Undead Warrior.
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[Cryo]

Aww, and here I was, looking forward to rolling a Blood Elf to gank some SB'ers on a PvP server....
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[BotageL]

Screw Alliance. Let's roll Horde.
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[bort]

Hey guys I will never play this game again no matter what but uh... PVP is pretty much the best thing about Warcraft. Especially since the first like 5 zones are safe unless you flag yourself for PVP on purpose. You should do PVP! It's fun!

I was MIGHTY BLACK PALADIN CRISPUS ATTUCKS and I fought some Tauren Druid on the beach in that place where you have to use the shrinking gun on those giants and since I was a Paladin and he was a Druid it lasted like 15 minutes. I actually lost, but we got each other down to like 10 life about a dozen times each. It was probably the most videogame fun I have ever had. And also this time that me and my friend Chefboyardee raided and took over a Horde town by ourselves. And using Gnomish Shrink Rays and Nets on low-level people just because you can and there is nothing they can do about it. And chasing down someone and throwing a Grenade because you are a Paladin and have no ranged attacks and hitting them from like 50 feet away and killing them.

Actually you should probably just do Engineering no matter what and skip out on the PVP if you like. And just do Battlegrounds a lot instead. But yeah the game is boring shit if you do not fight each other. And getting killed by asshole 60 Rogues happens but you can get over it.

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Right. You can still do battlegrounds on PVE servers, which is why they're better than PVP servers. For every fun and fair fight on a pvp server, you're going to have to deal with getting ganked 20 times by a level 60 rogue.




This is a great time for new players to get into WoW now that all previous raid gear is pretty much outdated from the moment Burning Crusade hits. Though i guess that doesn't really matter if you're on a new server either way.

One cool thing about the expansion is that the new raid gear has different options available for different talent builds. So warriors can actually get a DPS set from raiding now. Mages and Warlocks and Rogues don't really need to worry about this. But seeing how Druid has 3 completely different builds based on 3 different talent trees, and Shamans and some others are the same, I think that's a good choice.

[Ben Reed]

[Zebadayus]

I'm up for starting on a new server in the expansion with you guys.

We should PROBABLY form a guild.

[remote]

Since I'm still a bit new to this and really have no idea what a raid is, well, it's basically another dungeon hack except you're super powerful and probably teamed up with many more players than your average quest would require...?

Sounds like fun, but I don't need to get there for a while, I think. The phase I'm in at level 13 is a very enjoyable phase: where I'm still very low-level and I've only put something like 20 hours into the game, but I've traveled far enough and earned enough new spells/equipment/etc. to feel like I've come a fairly long way from my humble beginnings. I imagine this will feeling will sustain itself for as long as I play — or approach the level cap, if I play for that long — and I'm thinking that by about level 30 or 40 some more serious raids will probably sound appealing.
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[Zebadayus]

You can raid dungeons, and you can also raid horde territory.

[BalbanesBeoulve]

At level 30 or 40 you're still a lowbie. Raid dungeons require you to be at the level cap, 60, or 70 in the expansion. Though there's plenty of dungeons on your way up. For the alliance there's one in your upper teens lower 20s, Dead Mines, where you fight through a cave to a finale on a pirate ship. In your 20s you have Blackfathom Deeps, in your upper 20s you have the Stockades. There's 2 others for the 20s, shadowfang keep and wailing caverns, but those are in horde territory. Not a problem in PVE, but pretty risky in PVP. But even in PVE the opposite sides usually don't run them very often. In your lower 30s you have Gnomeragan and Razorfen Kraul, in your upper 30s you have the Scarlet Monastery and Razorfen Downs. In your 40s you have Uldaman and Zul Farrak. In your 50s you have Sunken Temple, Maraudon, and Blackrock Depths, and once you hit 60 there's Dire Maul, Blackrock Spire, Stratholme, Scholomance, and like 5 or 6 raid dungeons. Dungeons are cool because they can be pretty fun, with lots of bosses and events, and most of the bosses drop really good gear for your level. A lot better than most of the stuff you could buy at the Auction House.

Raid dungeons require either 20 or 40 players to compete, but in the expansion the highest will be 25 players. Beyond a few entry level ones they're pretty much only for the hardcore because they are literally impossible without the high end armor from the easier raids, and even then you usually end up wiping a bunch of times before actually beating it, or even just a part of it. There's a divide in the WoW community right now, because while leveling is totally fine for casual players, raiding really isn't viable for most casual players. So Blizzard can put in a lot of resources making Naxxramas, Kelthuzad's Necropolis, which is a 40 man raid, but only a tiny percentage of the WoW population has even been there or defeated a single boss there. And even fewer have even defeated Kelthuzad. So you have these assholes who play the game for 50 hours a week, and complain about there being no high end content. While raiders are the most vocal, when you have 7 million subscribers, they're a minority in your playerbase. Most when they reach 60 do PVP, run the 10 or 5 man dungeons, or the easier 20 man raids at most. They kind of tried to address this by limiting the raids in the Burning Crusade to 25 people, which is easier to get together, but if it were up to me, they should make it for even smaller groups, maybe 10 tops.

[Zebadayus]

Damn, Balbanes!

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[Wilkes]

fuck this thread for being the same fucking thread that's all over the internet.

fuck it for not being critical in any way; just more self-congratulating time wasting on the subject of time wasting.

fuck you.

[Intentionally Wrong]

On the other hand, this time-wasting is so pervasive that they've got to be on to something. So, what is it they're doing right?
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[Wilkes]

you call that subtlety, intentionally wrong?

what they are doing right is going after the weakest parts of a person: their free time and their money.

smarm aside, they seem to have accomplished a genuine sense of obligation in the players. I hear a lot of the smiling, bucktoothed praise hit on the game over "always giving the player something to do." I guess good for them, though to a regular, true-to-life person who can walk around still, there doesn't seem to be a lot of choosing not to do something.

Oh! Oh! There is? Branching goals et cetera? shut up? No, I suppose the game doesn't get boring. does it get interesting different then the way this forum gets interesting? does it get interesting in a way that could be genuinely memorable? isn't it a series of situations presented by the game galvanized by the personalities of the players?

doesn't everyone say the game stops being fun after level sixty because they've already done everything, and, yeah, by then, they kind of see what I'm talking about. but, no not, really, and they usually go back and start playing it again when they get bored meth addicts bored meth addicts.

I'm wrong and the game is just _that much fun_ even though, no, no one can say why, really, you just have to play it and see why, and penny-arcade, and I just obviously haven't played it lol kid hating on a game he's never played lol knee-jerk, dishwater criticism lol lol.

[Wilkes]

[BalbanesBeoulve]

You're being a fucking douche, wilkes. Keep your shit to the axe, plz.

[Wilkes]

I'm in a mood today, yeah. Sorry for the tone.

that dude is an idiot though and I'm calling him on it so get over that.